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http://news.sky.com/story/1071606/richard-iii-legal-row-over-leicester-burial

Decendants are trying to use a human rights law to get him buried in York rather than Leicester.!!!

*rolls eys*
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the *family* are using article 8 of the European Convention, which guarantees the right to a private and family life.. OH COME ON..he's been buried in Leicester for centuries.........his *rights*didn't suffer all that time did they lol

pfffffffffffft....what do you think........

(in case any one is wondering....my insomnia has kicked in in a big way.....i am hoping i'll pass out shortly so apologies if I don't reply til morning lol !!!)

ridiculous - no more to say :-S

He has no direct descendants only distant relatives. Most of whome were not aware of their connection until his remanins were found

how about chargng them for the exhumation

Maybe they should get a medium in and ask Dickie himself.

Both Richard III and the current winners in the game of thrones are descendants of John of Gaunt. Unfortunately for Richard III his line is a little murky hence the Wars of the Roses. After being well ahead at half time the Yorkists lost at the final whistle somewhere near Bosworth field. So the red rose rules.

York has always been a focus of rebellion and discontent going all the way back to Wm I who laid waste to the north. Not much has really changed such that the chances of burying Richard III at York with its attendant risks are nil. He is not even going to get a memorial, just to be popped under the existing slab.

Getting any of the current royal family to attend will be a big ask as it would imply recognizing Richard III as a legitimate king and thus cast doubt on the claims of Henry VII and the current line.

Common decency when moving human remains is usually extended to informing living descendants. By this I mean war graves of the last hundred years and such removals as are needed for building major roads etc. There is nothing new in this and indeed there are specialist firms such as Necropolis Ltd.

"Human rights" for a re interment of a guy given a correct burial at Greyfriars at another location 200 miles away is both against canon law and absurd. The only living person with a "right" to be consulted is HM QEII who would obviously follow canon law.

I do feel though that the service should be conducted according to the Roman Catholic liturgy and in Latin.

What drives the Richard III society is some sort of daft notion that the whole thread of English history since Bosworth and especially the reformation was wrong, illegal and should be reversed. From their point of view a prominent grave at York Minster could be a a focus. They seem not to have noticed that large parts of the north are now run from Mecca.

To the victor the spoils.

Given the current vogue for Dawkinism it is a mercy that Richard will be interred and not turned into an exhibit at the Tate Modern or a race to the north with Clarkson and Co.

fwiw most of the fairly large number of living people descended from Edward III and John of Gaunt are aware of the fact.

Happy Easter

Ridiculous! The Human Rights Act was introduced to try and prevent acts such as torture, rape not where a few bones are buried.

For ChAoTicEggsurrection

I have a letter ( framed, on the wall ) from the GPO demanding that we keep our dog under control otherwise post would be discontinued and we would have to pick it up at the local office. The dog in question was a 4 month old kitten that liked to catch the letters ...

be afraid of cats, they are all knowing

@Rollo :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

This desire to worship bones leaves me puzzled.

I can understand why, in our lives, we like to go to a grave of a loved one and leave flowers and say a prayer or have a private thought. That is like an anchor in life.

But we also know that after our day, those graves are deserted, unkempt, dug up for supermarkets and housing. Frustrations when trying to find old graves and the odd missing clue :-(

But one man I remember is John Wycliffe. He died in 1384 and was Rector of Lutterworth (M1/M6 junction). His grave is in Lutterworth churchyard. But his body was dragged out of his grave, was burnt thoroughly and the ashes were dumped unceremoniously in the stream below his grave.

As a result, his ashes would have washed up on every shore in the world. :-)

shouldn't you be somewhere?

Rollo :-D :-D

I have a cat and a dog. The dog will greet you like her long, lost, best friend. The cat would floor you with one glare.

Follow the money! Think of the tourist revenue a burial in Leicester could bring in!

As long as the remains are treated with respect, does it really matter where he is buried? For all we know, he might have loathed his wife and wouldn't have wanted to be buried with her.

:-D :-D :-D @ DET

Just inside Lutterworth church is a case full of "relics". You can worship the last mortal remains of John Wycliff ( a charred finger, I think). Don't charge to look at the relics, but they did sell tea and cake when I visited to swell church funds :-D :-D

Not knocking it, just don't understand this fascination with earthly remains.

Just out of interest, and slightly off topic....

Dan and I were watching one of the archaeology prog's and he asked "when does it stop being 'grave robbing' and become acceptable to dig up skeletons?" given that they are then taken to be examined ....

thoughts?

Err...when you're followed around by a television camera? :-D


He has a very good point.

:-D Cat, perhaps one of the reasons I am opting for cremation lol ;-)

I'm tempted to donate my body to science but they probably wouldn't want it :-S ;-)

We have three cats, our very big dog was killed when a motorist decided to drive on the pavement. So it goes.

Chief cat is a big British Blue male. He always rushes to welcome me home, follows me around the house or office ( he likes to go to work ), and will chase and fetch toy mice, balls and such. He also likes to sleep on computer keyboards which is a bit of a nuisance.

Junior car was rescued from a let which went wrong. He lives for the day and is very funny. He is a big buddy with chief cat.

I-don't-give-a-damn-cat was never asked in but comes anyway when she is cold or hungry or is in the mood for some peace and quiet. The other two tolerate her to a point.

My own philosophy is one of tolerance and I am pleased that chief cat thinks so too :-) In the last three years bird kill zero. He does bring in slow worms and frogs, unhurt which I release.

Leicester and Leicestershire and especially Rutland are wonderful places. They must be 'cos my ancestors moved there from Yorkshire ;-)

Why not Leicester ?

It is in the middle of England.
There is a slab good and ready.
It is near the battlefield of Bosworth ( though which Bosworth Field is unclear ).
It is near Naseby where people can discover what parliament thinks of ordinary people.
It still has lots of good pubs and places to eat.
It has a marvelous new theatre, as the home town of Joe Orton should.
It has the best Asian food in England ( no surprise there )
It has the Great Central Railway.
Despite the best efforts of 60s and 70s town planners it is full of architectural treasures from Victorian brickwork to the ancient Guildhall.
It is only 20 miles from Alton Towers so there is somewhere to leave the kids.

I would put a pound to a penny though that many tourists will make John Speed's mistake and go to the wrong church - St Margaret's rather than St Martin's.

Speed's people went to Blackfriars rather than Greyfriars. Richard III was not really "lost" at all just under the black stuff.