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WHO IS OR WAS YOUR FAVOROT POLITITION

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Robert

Robert Report 2 Apr 2013 19:42

Yes, OneFoot, John Smith would have saved the Labour Party and saved us from Tony Blair.

John Smith gained respect and admiration from all sides of the House.

RolloTheRed

RolloTheRed Report 3 Apr 2013 08:51

Barbara Castle, no question
- honest, started to get women treated properly at work, reversed the carnage on the roads.
She also tried to bring in a new approach to industrial relations which was squashed by James Callaghan and his Luddite cronies. We are still suffering Jim's poor choice.

JustJohn

JustJohn Report 3 Apr 2013 09:36

There have been some wonderful orators - Churchill, Tony Blair, John Redwood, Roy Hattersley, Michael Portillo, Tony Benn, Arthur Scargill, Mo Mowlam, Kenneth Clarke, Nye Bevan, George Thomas, Gwynfor Evans, Lloyd George, Dafydd Elis Thomas.

There have been some great leaders - Clement Attlee, John Smith, Alex Salmond, Martin McGuiness. Just to clarify last one, I hated him intensely a few years ago but think he has done more in Northern Ireland for peace and community harmony than anyone (even Gerry Fitt). But willing to be told I am talking through my nose :-)

William Ewart Gladstone remains my favourite politician - a man 100 years ahead of his time :-)

Hayley   Empress of Drama

Hayley Empress of Drama Report 3 Apr 2013 10:16

Well said Guinevere Enoch Powell had a short memory like millions of others, didn't mind being part of the British empire when others from countires of this empire were fighting so he could have his " free speech" but when it came down to it he was just a racist

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 3 Apr 2013 12:30

ISNT IT STRANGE HOW SOME OF US THINK THINGS DIFFERENT,TO ME ENOCH SAID WHAT A LOT OF US FELT AT THE TIME BUT TO SCARED TO SAY SO..
BUT I WOULDNT SAY RASIST

GinN

GinN Report 3 Apr 2013 12:37

I'm not a political animal, but the politicians of the past that I admire are Winston Churchill, Enoch Powell and Margaret Thatcher.
Can't say I have much admiration for the present bunch, but I'm watching the rise of Boris with great interest! ;-)

Chrissie

Chrissie Report 3 Apr 2013 13:10

Sorry Dizzi but anyone who doesn't think Powell was racist doesn't understand what racism is. Being anti immigration isn't necessarily being racist but being prejudiced against another colour is.

Merlin

Merlin Report 3 Apr 2013 14:07

Sorry Chrissie, Unless you knew the Man you cannot say that,most of his constituants were Imigrants and they voted for him because he said what they wanted him to say.

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 3 Apr 2013 15:35

MERLIN
I HEARD THE SAME,A LOT OF HIS CONSTITUANTS WERE HARD WORKING IMIGRANTS AND AS YOU SAID ,,
HE SAID WHAT THEY WANTED HIM TO SAY..

CHRISSIE
I DO KNOW WHAT RACISM IS,AND CAN WORK BOTH WAYS

Guinevere

Guinevere Report 3 Apr 2013 15:46

Merlin, you keep repeating how much his constituents liked him and voted for him blah, blah, blah but not all of them did. Many of them thought he was a racist bigot at the time. His own party thought he was a racist, and would lose them the election.

He was a racist, he said so himself, so to say he wasn't is also to call him a liar.

He was also a traitor to the tories urging people to vote Labour in 1974.

Chrissie

Chrissie Report 3 Apr 2013 16:48

Well said, Guinevere.

DIzzi, if you mean that all races can be racist I'm well aware of that. It doesn't mean it's right.

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 3 Apr 2013 17:14

Baron Ashley of Stoke. or as an MP, Jack Ashley. Don't believe I need to qualify his qualities as he was so well known. :-)

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 3 Apr 2013 17:21

CHRISSIE
I MEAN AGAINST WHITE

Annx

Annx Report 3 Apr 2013 17:28

Enoch Powell and Margaret Thatcher for me. They weren't afraid to say what they thought.

Jean

Jean Report 4 Apr 2013 00:44

John Smith.

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 4 Apr 2013 00:48

Hitler

JustJohn

JustJohn Report 4 Apr 2013 11:17

Enoch Powell. Was he a good politician? No, not in my view.

He was Minister of Health in one of his earliest appointments. The NHS was on its knees because of lack of staff and resources. He brought staff in from the West Indies and made a name for himself. Probably expected them to return home after their work here, but forgot to give them visas and we still needed them anyway for a long time.

Rivers speech was in a sense his swansong. It was admitting he had got his policies all wrong as Health Minister, had learned from his mistakes and was warning others of what might happen as a result.

Despite his flat Brummie tones, he was a great speaker. One of the most brilliant men of his day. A war hero. But an introverted, academic who never understood lives of ordinary people. A busted flush when he made the Rivers speech, and he knew it.

Not a racist (certainly not in the context of Wolverhampton in 1950's). I think today he would be shocked that people thought that of him. But he would have been very keen on proper border controls and would have given Blair and Cameron a very hard time :-)

Interestingly, he tried to do a TV programme about India in 1980's and was refused a visa. Never understood why, with 1 million pop India controls its borders so well compared to UK :-S :-S

Guinevere

Guinevere Report 4 Apr 2013 17:50

Didn't you read what I posted, John? He said himself that he *was* racist.

Quote “What’s wrong with racism? Racism is the basis of nationality.” unquote

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 4 Apr 2013 18:03

Guinevere
TO ME THAT QUOTE DOSN'T SAY THAT
HE'S A RACIST

Guinevere

Guinevere Report 4 Apr 2013 18:12

Can't see how you reach that conclusion, Dizzi.