General Chat

John, There you go again, I would very much appreciate it if you STOP taking my posts and interpreting them to suit your own agenda

I never said anyone "fear of Scargill" I said, I do no that some are keeping quiet for fear of intimidation from the old militants who still worship Scargill


As for saying "I would be frightened to disagree with Roy"

Plenty disagree with me and I have no problem with that "I love the debate" but I will not tolerate the personal insults of the kind you used to turn to when you first appeared on the general chat board.

Roy

I very much echo the sentiments in Tecwyn's post and also hope the funeral passes without incident.

However, as Tecwyn said, the scale of the funeral, to be paid for by the tax payer can be seen as a slap in the face to those struggling on a very limited income and some form of protest seems inevitable. And there are some with long memories who still feel very bitter about her legacy. This is why I fear it will not pass peacefully.

Some have been advocating wearing red today or turning their backs on the procession as it passes. We have a long history in the UK of passive protest such as this and my hope is that "action" will be limited to such measures today in London.

Were the funeral a smaller and more private affair then there would have been less organised protest, I feel.

I case I'm misunderstood, which seems to be happening a lot over the last day or so, I reiterate that my hope is that the funeral passes peacefully and any protest is limited to token gestures.

The Mail Online has been serializing parts for a biography of Mrs Thatcher by Robin Harris

It was very interesting yesterday to read how she financed her studies at Oxford ....................

.......... her mentor and supervisor found grants that MT could apply for, and luckily won them, because that was the ONLY way she could manage to pay her way through university.


Her father was apparently very mean .................. they did not have hot water in the flat, and the loo was in the backyard (as many of us were also raised), because he didn't believe luxuries were necessary.

He refused to pay for her university education or support .......


........ and that I think puts to rest a theory proposed on this thread earlier that she was only able to get her degree because she was funded by a rich father.


And, apparently, in later life, Mrs T hated for it to be known that she had to depend on grant money in order to complete her degree.



AnnC commented a couple of pages ago about her living in the Ritz, and hwo lonely that must have been ..........


....... I posted much earlier on this thread that she was living there after being invited by the owners to stay for as long as she needed. That happened after she had a minor op in hospital before Christmas, and was released with the statement that she would be unable to return to live independently in her own house because she was unsteady on her feet.

She did have at least 2 carers at the house before she went into hospital ..................... the last known photo of her in a newspaper was taken in May last year when she had an outing to a local park with both carers in attendance ...................... and they moved with her to the Ritz, taking it in turns to stay, so that there was someone with her at all times.

That would seem to indicate that very good care was being taken of her.



and as others have said ................... staying in the Ritz would be preferable, and very enjoyable!!!!

Thank you Sandie

My last line in my last postI did'nt mean you personally l Errol ! for respect.
As a gent I assumed you would have anyway.

It very very hard for peoples who's lives where affected by the polotics at the time not to feeel bitter.

I'm not in favour of the taxpayers paying for the funeral.

But please ......let her funeral goes without discord.
Not peeps on here obviously.
Void of physical protesters.
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John in the spirit of this thread I would ask that you remove your comments about myself and Roy as they could be seen or perceived by some as personal and inflammatory

BLAH BLAH BLAH

She never said there was no such thing as society.

Do a bit of research and read the whole fecking speech.

Bloody sheep believing the sound bites

(no disrespect meant Errol)

All this stuff about fear of Scargill even today. Tell, you what, if I was in your class Errol, I would be scared stiff to ask a question or disagree with you. And I think I would have to agree with Roy and all these ex-miners who think Lady Thatcher was the bees knees - because I would be frightened to disagree with Roy also. Both of you much scarier than Arthur Scargill.

Leanne Wood (Plaid Cymru leader) put it succinctly today. Lady Thatcher did not believe in society. Well, we do in Wales, she continued. And her biggest achievement for Wales was creating support for devolution.

And Kirsty Williams (Lib Dem leader) said she was at school when Mrs T came to power and she disagreed with her policies so much that it encouraged her to get into politics.

Andrew R T Davies (Con leader) said she was the greatest peacetime Prime Minister.

Too late ...lol..sorry :-0

Absolutely no need to delete - plus if you do I'll have to edit or delete my posts so the thread still makes sense and I can't be bothered lol

nah there kind of is.......my feelings aren't everyone elses......I shouldn't expect them to be where I am at the mo......it's private and i shouldn't have brought it on here.

Please ignore me.

I have nothing sensible to contribute just gut feelings and that's not good enough for debate.....annoys me when others do it.....i will delete shortly.

Nothing wrong with letting off a bit of steam now and again when needed

Muffy I have PMd you.

Sandie I will do and I agree with your sentiments.

EDITED because Muffy has deleted which I respect

When you do Errol, look at the body language ,

Whilst living in S Wales , Mrs T time in office did affect my husband's job.in the Steelworks.

But I just hope that she is laid to rest peacefully tomorrow /today being past midnight.

Show some respect for the woman,not the politcian.

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Roy I shall have to look at that tomorrow as I can not access YouTube on this computer but thank you.

Just to give John and everyone else a flavour of what the unions thought in 1974 when they forced a general election and take note of the union rep who states and I quote; He believes his members should profit from their labour and then says that he wants his members to have the right to buy one of each? "Rolls Royce and a £20,000 house" in 1974

I live near Denaby

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBWrmB9Ry_8

I paid £2,500 in 1974 for my first house

Roy

I won't even rise to the bait.

I was asking you (as a student might ask a teacher) what you meant, Errol. Are questions automatically antagonistic? Don't think I agree with anything you have written or any of your views about Mrs Thatcher, but I will defend to the death your right to your opinions.

After this funeral, there will be a biography written by Charles Moore which is due to be published in a couple of weeks time and I should imagine it will be mainly pro the Iron Lady. I should think there will be at least one book that will suggest she was not the best peace time Prime Minister. I am sure we will both want to read the biography and any other book, and amend our opinion of her record if persuaded. That is what us educational types with broad minds tend to do, is it not?

I believe the post that you so helpfully copied had a direct relevance to the thread actually.
You are coming across as being antagonistic again in my opinion and that is not what this thread is about at all.
Please do not bring down what has been a very informative, thought provoking and intelligent thread.

Errol. It cannot be helped :-( :-(

I was reading the thread and had just seen some rather moving posts (Paula's was last of several) then you came in and put up the post I have copied. I simply did not understand what you meant, and AnnC explained what you meant by "unruly and despicable rabble".

Not sure why it then had to develop like it did, but thanks everyone for the oxygen I so crave - NOT :-|