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eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 8 Apr 2013 17:49

Roy please don't turn this into an argument.
This thread is not about that and if something has been posted then deleted then there should be no problem.

RolloTheRed

RolloTheRed Report 8 Apr 2013 17:49

It is ludicrous to say that Margaret Thatcher destroyed UK manufacturing industry. She certainly removed the closed shop and subsidy culture.

Unless I am dreaming we have for instance Rolls Royce, British Aerospace, Formula 1, a substantial car making capacity and thousands and thousands of small and medium companies up and down the country making all sorts of high tech stuff. The biggest obstacle to it growing is lack of skilled people with an engineering or biotech bent.

What industries went down ? British Leyland / Austin / Morris who made horrible unreliable cars, trucks and buses and a raft of stuff whose time had come - archaic shipbuilding, coal, steel. They would have gone with or without Margaret Thatcher.

True, very tough for South Wales which has never really gotten over the shock of modern times. I have been in Newport several times recently. The contrast with nearby Bristol is amazing.


eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 8 Apr 2013 17:55

Rolls Royce is owned by BMW

Rollo surely you don't lament the demise of the Allegro, the Marina/Ital, the Princess etc lol

I do agree with you however

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Apr 2013 17:57

we had an Allegro - worst car we ever had - wonder where my Micra was made?

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 8 Apr 2013 17:58

Sunderland, perchance?

InspectorGreenPen

InspectorGreenPen Report 8 Apr 2013 18:07

I think Rollo means Rolls Royce in Derby. Makes aircraft engines, nuclear submarine power units and so on? One of the most technological advanced companies we have?

Probably no need to comment on each and every post, after all that is what is causing much of the issues with JLC's threads.

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 8 Apr 2013 18:10

Very true Green Pen, very true.
And wise

vera2010

vera2010 Report 8 Apr 2013 18:34

Didn't resprect her when she was alive. My opinions havien't changed. She divided this country and will not be forgotten for the damage her policies did to some communities who are still suffering.

Vera

Paula+

Paula+ Report 8 Apr 2013 18:38

For me Margaret Thatcher defined courage and strength in leadership. She loved our country and did whet she considered to be in our best interest. Regardless of your political persuasions she deserves some respect.

RIP Baroness Thatcher, you have earned your rest.

supercrutch

supercrutch Report 8 Apr 2013 18:39

If you don't want to see her criticised don't watch any Welsh news channels.

Barbinsglos

Barbinsglos Report 8 Apr 2013 18:41

Well said Paula

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 8 Apr 2013 18:42

I think she played a large part in dragging us out of the post war attitude that "everything will be alright because the government will look after us".
Let us not also forget the large part she played in the ending of the Cold War

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 8 Apr 2013 18:44

Barbinsglos which short posting - I haven't deleted anything off this thread?

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Apr 2013 18:49

exactly Sue - she wins no popularity polls in Wales

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 8 Apr 2013 18:53

I am glad to see that the news reports are showing some 'balance' as to the political aspects of Mrs Thatcher's life, too often there is an outpouring of sycophancy when someone 'notable' in politics ( of any political shade) dies.

At least there is an acknowledgement, to paraphrase what someone has just said, that if you benefited under Thatcherism you are going to have a very different feeling today than if you were one who suffered under Thatcherism.






terryj

terryj Report 8 Apr 2013 18:55

didnt do too well on the interviews in durham on the bbc news channell
one lady had a bottle of champagne in her fridge she had been saving for today

were not that flash just a bottle of veu de verne

quick edit
done a count on 2 scooter forums
lcgb celebrating 16 sad 5 dont know can see both sides 1

wkfa celebrating 5 sad 2
anyway as someone said there is a time and a place

the time is now the place is the pub so im off for a drink or 3

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 8 Apr 2013 19:23

We left the UK in 1967, well before Margaret Thatcher became PM ....... so I have nothing I can say about her political life, or the realities of life in 1970s and later Britain that is not mostly based on hearsay and from the media


However, she was .......

............ a human being,

............ someone's wife, mother, grandmother,

.............a woman who achieved one heck of a lot in her lifetime, after being born into a lower middle class life as a grocer's daughter,

............ got herself a good education by virtue of having high intelligence, which allowed her to win a scholarship to a top secondary school, ad then another one to Oxford

............. and, had a successful career as a research scientist (chemist) before moving into politics because she thought she had something to offer the country


For those reasons alone, one must feel sorry that she has died, yet glad that her suffering is finally over.


It is surely far too strong to say that one "hates" her .................. she was not an intrinsically evil person like some criminals are.


I, for one, say RIP Margaret Thatcher, and condolences to her family.





sylvia

Kay????

Kay???? Report 8 Apr 2013 19:27



She will be be mourned by her children deeply they held her in high regard first as a mother and then leader of their country thats really all that matters.

Me? I shall ever remember her only for her being spurned and outed as PM after 3 years of office by her own party,a joyous occasion for many.

to mnay things have been forgotten that people wanted to string her up for.!

she wont be mourned in her home town they dont even want a statue of her,,,,,,,, :-D,

She was a Barrister,,,,,,maybe she had been better at that.>

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Apr 2013 19:36

well her son Mark was not very nice to her - Carole always was there for her Mum, but she was always picking up the pieces after him

Hayley   Empress of Drama

Hayley Empress of Drama Report 8 Apr 2013 19:40

Syvia that was the year I was born :-D its wasnt because of me you left was it :-D

Love her or hate her she will be a hughed part of the UK history having grown up in working class Thatchers Britain I have mixed feelings about her but as I was saying to a very dear old friend just now I have a lot to thank her for :-D