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Fascinating programme on Marianne Faithfull. 'Bare bones' of Hitler's regime and it's effects on people.
But......
I want another programme on Marianne Faithfull - how did her g x lots grandfather get a 'Ritter'.

And Mr Faithfull sounds like he could be interesting...

I agree, Maggie. And I could just listen to her lovely speaking voice for a lot longer.

There is some connection between that family and masochism, and it may be that discovering that line might be a bit too black for a family show.

Just seen this on Wiki:

Faithfull's maternal great great uncle was Leopold von Sacher-Masoch, the 19th century Austrian nobleman whose erotic novel, Venus in Furs, spawned the word "masochism".

And:

Her father, Robert Glynn Faithfull (an Army Major and Professor of Psychology) , was a British spy during the Second World War, whose own father had invented a sexual device called the Frigidity Machine.

So I think Channel 5 might be interested in developing her roots further :-) ;-)

The content was very interesting, but, call me shallow, I was really put off by the putting on/taking off of Marianne's specs.

She should have contact lenses, BC.

Just as an aside, I watched the rising Labour shadow minister, Chuku Uwuma, the other day. I note that 3 months ago he had brown eyes. Now he has the deepest and loveliest blue eyes. Think I know how that happened :-D

Anyway, back to Major Faithfull and Baron Sacher Baron Cohen ;-)

I am also going on to pick up on BC shallowness too ...Marianne leather trousers at your age love NO ! Even in Berlin. :-( And though she may of had the sweetest if not perfect singing voice when she was 19 she certainly hasnt now, too deep and ravaged she sounded like an aging music hall drag act. * Meeeeeeeowwwww *

I too enjoyed the programe and felt Marianne's respect and understanding for her Mother grow the more she found out. I at times thought she was also reflecting on her own life and perhaps her own parenting skills....is Princess flu making me a tad too deep?

I still find the way branding of human a little too much to stomach even now, but I did enjoy the programe and found it interesting and informative which is what I want when I watch it . :-D

She's sounded like that for years though. I must admit being younger than some of you I wasn't really aware of Marianne Faithfull in her hey day ;-) 'There's a little bird' was the only influence she had on me...and much later, with the husky voice in evidence 'The ballad of Lucy Jordan'.

But having watched last night's episode I liked her enough to be absolutely fuming when some 'person' said on FB that she had 'turned off straight away after seeing how MF had let herself go'... I didn't comment but had a look at said person's FB picture.. and was soooo tempted to say 'well 40 years ago did YOU look like you do now, carrying too much weight, wearing glasses, looking 'mumsy' '? lol ...It does rile me this obsession with women having to 'preserve' their youth for the entertainment of others ;-)

** hides botox leaflets behind back **


Tobe honest Rose considering the demons she has had to carry I thought she looked well, yes of course she has aged but she looked natural not plastic ...

:-D @ Rose. I thought she was great and thoroughly enjoyed the programme. I have to agree with BC about the taking on and off of her specs though - why didn't she just leave them on?

I sympathise with the glasses though. because I do it lol.

I can see some things better without, it depends on closeness, and I also think there may be some natural instinct to take your glasses of when looking direct into someone's face? It may be that you feel they ( the glasses) are hiding what you are thinking . :-D

Hayley if you want botox that's your prerogative :-) It's a personal choice what people do to look 'like they used to' lol, but I wouldn't think you were a nicer or more interesting person just because you had fewer wrinkles ;-)

Well, I think all you ladies look beautiful and natural. And, in case of a couple, very young. Now to find my glasses :-S ;-)

You're absolutely right Rose - I have to confess I also do it!

Just a thought....if you watched Anne Robinson on Watchdog which was on the programme before you would see what plastic surgery,Botox etc can do...don't think she looks better for it with her scraggy neck.
Marianne Faithfully looked a lot better and I think she is a similar age.
Was a very informative episode...I never knew about the Russians raping all those women.The Jews did go through it,even those who were only part Jewish.

It may be conceit why women (and men) put on and take off glasses when speaking to someone. It might be simple respect.

Glasses can be a barrier when we are speaking to somebody. Non verbals are very important.

Marianne did look like a studious school teacher with her glasses on. Her whole face seemed to change when she took them off.

And, at end of programme, she looked even younger and fresher again. Perhaps the weight of wondering why she had behaved like she had during her life had been lifted somewhat.

I do not wear glasses as a regular thing, but have a pair. I can see the TV clearer with them on but cannot see the computer screen and as I do these things at the same time it gets awkward.

So they sit on the top my head :-D

I didn't really enjoy last nights program, although some of it was interesting...It seemed to be more about her than her ancestors

I didn't care for last nights programme either, & like Jax I thought we were never going to see anything about her Ancestors, too much time was spent at the start of the programme talking about her & what she got up to in her early years!

JOAN.

It does not matter how anyone looks - the programme was fancinating slant on the war history which I enjoyed.

I did noy know that certain Jews missed the camps because of who they were.

So yes it only was about her mothers side, but it was a certainly an eye opener to say the least.

Oh taling about how she looked etc - it would be a poorer place if we all looked and talked the same.


So get a life - I say.

Enjoyed the programme last night, very interesting indeed.
As for MF herself she was boring when young and she still
is now imo, her family history is certainly not.

Emma

Roger ...

Dont be so rude I say ... If I want to comment I will do and I have done and I will continue too so shut it



Sorry Emma :-D

:-) no probs Hayley

Roger. It was a good point, but you perhaps were a bit short and "get a life" does not go down well. Mainly because many of us do need to get a life (I certainly do more and more. :-(

Hayley is Genes royalty. We all are expected to bow low (and happily do that most times).

:-) ;-)