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Mary Ann Jackson 1874-1954 married Albert Robert Smith 1880-1963 and migrated to Western Australia from England and both passed away in Perth, Western Australia. Trying to locate their children May Smith dob? Richard Smith dob ? Violet Smith dob? Florence Smith 1899-1987 born in England. Not sure if they were born in Australia or England. Can't find whether they married or whether they passed away before marriage. Any help would be appreciated :-)

Morning Katrina, this might have been better posted on Find Ancestors, or possibly on Living Relatives as this request could be over looked on this board.

As a starter, is this their marriage?


Name: Mary Ann Jackson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Age: 30
Spouse Name: Albert Robert Smith - Mariner
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Oct 1905
Parish: Tufnell Park St George
Borough: Islington
Father Name: George Jackson - Road Man
Spouse Father: Richard Smith - Booking Clerk
Register Type: Parish Register

His address - 18 Huddleston Rd
Her address - 227 Tufnall Park Rd

One of the witness was Richard Edwin Smith. The other is a squiggle but could be Mrs Samuel

Their marriage
Marriages Dec 1905

JACKSON Mary Ann Islington 1b 626
SMITH Albert Robert Islington 1b 626

Mary Ann's burial

http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=FB00018756


First Name MARY ANN
Names are only recorded in capitals
Application Number
Last Name SMITH FB00018756
See legend for application code details
Aged (Years) 79 Date of Death 16/02/1954
Suburb PALMYRA

Grave Location FREMANTLE CEMETERY
Cemetery
ANGLICAN
Area or Denomination
MON AA
Section
1078
Gravesite
Grant Number F0008950 Grantee ALBERT ROBERT SMITH
Grant Status EXPIRED
At today's date
Expiry 02/07/2012 **
Grant Expiry ** Please follow this link for more information regarding grants expiring on 2/7/2012.

Albert Roberts
Summary Of Record Information

First Name ALBERT ROBERT
Names are only recorded in capitals
Application Number
Last Name SMITH FB00024126
See legend for application code details
Aged (Years) 88 Date of Death 13/02/1968
Suburb PALMYRA

Grave Location FREMANTLE CEMETERY
Cemetery
ANGLICAN
Area or Denomination
MON AA
Section
1078
Gravesite
Grant Number F0008950 Grantee ALBERT ROBERT SMITH
Grant Status EXPIRED
At today's date
Expiry 02/07/2012 **
Grant Expiry ** Please follow this link for more information regarding grants expiring on 2/7/2012.

Also with the same name -
Summary Of Record Information

First Name ALBERT ROBERT
Names are only recorded in capitals
Application Number
Last Name SMITH FB00019302
See legend for application code details
Aged (Years) 0 Date of Death 01/06/1955
Suburb SUBIACO

Grave Location FREMANTLE CEMETERY
Cemetery
ANGLICAN
Area or Denomination
MON A4
Section
0243
Gravesite
Grant Number F0009231 Grantee EDWIN SIDNEY SMITH
Grant Status EXPIRED
At today's date
Expiry 02/07/2012 **
Grant Expiry ** Please follow this link for more information regarding grants expiring on 2/7/2012.

It would appear that Albert Robert Smith paid for both his and Mary's graves.
Could the infant Albert Robert Smith be his grandchild, or might it just be a coincidence?

Had one child in 1911
Name: Albert Robert Smith
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: St Margaret and St John
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: St Georges Mansions Westminster
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: CARETAKER
Registration District: St George, Hanover Square
Registration District Number: 5
Sub-registration District: St Margaret and St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 473
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Robert Smith 31
Mary Ann Smith 36 b Clacton on sea Norfolk
Albert Richard Smith 10 months

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 473.


Had two children stil living but only the one listed

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 about Edwin Sidney Smith
Name: Edwin Sidney Smith
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1936
State: Western Australia
District: Forrest
Subdistrict: Bunbury

Edwin Sidney Smith could be Albert Robert and Mary Anne’s son as they are both living at the Quarantine Station in Bunbury.
There was also an Albert Richard Smith, Assistant
Violet Lilian Smith – Home duties

1937 & 1943 at the same address

Albert Richard Smith
Allbert Robert Smith
Edwin Sidney Smith
Mary Ann Smith
Violet Lillian Smith

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 about Edwin Sidney Smith
Name: Edwin Sidney Smith
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1949
State: Western Australia
District: Canning
Subdistrict: Murray

Swansea Flats, Sh(e?)ll street Mandurah – Labourer
Not seeing another 'Smith' at that address

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 about Edwin Sidney Smith
Name: Edwin Sidney Smith
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1954
State: Western Australia
District: Fremantle
Subdistrict: East Fremantle
52 Hammad St, Palmyra

With April Sybil Smith, home duties. So she is probably his wife.

April's burial
Summary Of Record Information

First Name APRIL SYBIL
Names are only recorded in capitals
Application Number
Last Name SMITH FC00049054
See legend for application code details
Aged (Years) 91 Date of Death 11/12/2006
Suburb SHOALWATER

Grant Expiry ** Please follow this link for more information regarding grants expiring on 2/7/2012.
Ashes Request
FAMILY GRAVE AT FREMANTLE CEMETERY Completed yes
Grave Location FREMANTLE CEMETERY
Cemetery
ANGLICAN
Area or Denomination
MON A4
Section
0243
Gravesite
Grant Number F0009231 Grantee EDWIN SIDNEY SMITH
Grant Status EXPIRED
At today's date
Expiry 02/07/2012


Memorial Type BURIAL PLAQUE
Memorial Location
FREMANTLE CEMETERY ANGLICAN A4 0243 yes
Cemetery Garden, Wall or Path Site Position Completed

That doesn't help as Edwin Sidney bought the plot.
His burial

Summary Of Record Information

First Name EDWIN SIDNEY
Names are only recorded in capitals
Application Number
Last Name SMITH FC00018355
See legend for application code details
Aged (Years) 77 Date of Death 20/03/1990
Suburb PALMYRA

Grant Expiry ** Please follow this link for more information regarding grants expiring on 2/7/2012.
Ashes Request
FAMILY GRAVE AT FREMANTLE CEMETERY Completed yes
Grave Location FREMANTLE CEMETERY
Cemetery
ANGLICAN
Area or Denomination
MON A4
Section
0243
Gravesite
Grant Number F0009231 Grantee EDWIN SIDNEY SMITH
Grant Status EXPIRED
At today's date
Expiry 02/07/2012

Jumping to 1972, the last available on-line ER, Edwin and April are still at the above address, now joined by
Joan Elizabeth Smith - Book keeper
Terrance George Smith - Labourer
Lesley Amy Smith - Candler

As the relationship isn't shown, although we can assume that Terrance is a son, the girls could either be a sister + wife, or both of them sisters

Albert Robert Smith enlisted in the Australian Army on 11 Sep 1916, which means they must have emigrated between Apr 1911 & then.

If you want to read the records which unfortunately don’t give details of his children, go to
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/
click on Record Search
On the green bar, select name Search
Enter Smith and WW1 records from the drop down box
From the result page, refine search
Albert Robert
His is the 3rd entry
B2455 SMITH A R
Smith Albert Robert : SERN 3210 : POB London England : POE Perth WA : NOK W Smith Mary Ann

Click on the icon for pages to access the records

Albert Richard Smith died in 1961, age 50 - his burial in the family plot
Summary Of Record Information

First Name ALBERT RICHARD GEORGE
Names are only recorded in capitals
Application Number
Last Name SMITH FB00021434
See legend for application code details
Aged (Years) 50 Date of Death 13/02/1961
Suburb NEDLANDS

Grave Location FREMANTLE CEMETERY
Cemetery
ANGLICAN
Area or Denomination
MON AA Section 1078
Gravesite
Grant Number F0008950 Grantee ALBERT ROBERT SMITH
Grant Status EXPIRED
At today's date
Expiry 02/07/2012 **

http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/search.php

You could search and order a copy of his DC from here, and see if he were married.
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
SMITH ALBERT RICHARD GEORGE Male 50 ALBERT R MARY A PERTH 508 1961

Alternatively, contact the Cemetaries and ask if anyone else is/was buried in the grave(s)

These are the WA BMD in the vital domain

BIRTHS (1841-1932)
DEATHS (1841-1971)
MARRIAGES (1841-1936)

As none of the children found are listed, its fairly safe to assume that they were born in the UK sometime between 1905 and 1911. Try FreeBmd yourself.

It would be a stroke of luck if you came across a marriage announcement relevant to the descendants.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ online newspapers goes up to 1950. You could have a play around with those for births/deaths between the arrival and 1950

http://ryersonindex.net/search.php gives extracts of death announcements. If you found something that might be relevant, you could ask for the full details.



As Smith is such a common name, there are over a thousand SMITH passenger list records to look at on GR alone between 1911 and 1916 when we know they were in Australia

Have a look at this for a Violet Lillian Smith

http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=FC00054689


First Name VIOLET LILLIAN
Names are only recorded in capitals
Application Number
Last Name SMITH FC00054689
See legend for application code details
Aged (Years) 100 Date of Death 12/01/2009
Suburb GREENFIELDS

Ashes Request
TAKEN BY FUNERAL DIRECTOR AT FREMANTLE CEMETERY Completed yes

Contact the cemetery and ask if she were unmarried. It could be that this particular lady was. If she was single, ask for the Funeral directors details and contact them. They may be willing to pass on a message for you

Thank you for your help. <3
It's a lot confusing as there were two Jackson sisters who married two Smith brothers and both couple moved to Western Australia probably about the same time. Edwin Sidney Smith is probably the son of Martha Jackson and Richard Edwin Smith.

Hello, my name is Belinda Love, nee Smith. My grandparents are Edwin Sidney Smith and April Sybil Smith nee Robertson. Please feel free to e mail me at [email protected] I look forward to hearing from you. Belinda

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Good luck.