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matthew Report 28 Jul 2011 09:45

i am trying to find my fathers parents but have very little information and wondered if any one could help? All i have is some information from my fathers birth certificate which gives his parents names joseph james charles harman and his mother margaret harman formaly strachan. i cannot find any marrige records for these names and do no really know how i can know if the birh records i am looking at are correct. the only other information i have is they where living in battersea london in 1956 when my father was born. i would love to find these people or relatives of them as my father died without knowing any of his family. any help anyone could give me would be great

thanks matt


Flick Report 28 Jul 2011 09:51

Where did you look for the marriage?

'Formerly Strachan'.....that's a Scottish surname


matthew Report 28 Jul 2011 09:56

i looked on the marrige records from this site. should i be looking somewhere else? i mainly look for joseph j c harman as i though that would be less common in the marrige records than margaret strachan


Flick Report 28 Jul 2011 09:56

There are three marriages on Ancestry for Joseph J C Harman.....none to anyone named Strachan.

It may, of course, be that they weren't actually married


Gins Report 28 Jul 2011 09:58

I wonder if this is your grandfathers birth? Does his mothers name ring any bells?

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Joseph J C Harman
Name: Joseph J C Harman
Mother's Maiden Surname: Claridge
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1925
Registration district: Witney
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1712


Flick Report 28 Jul 2011 09:58

There is only one birth for the name, in 1925, so it looks as though all the marriages are his................and that Margaret was an 'interlude' between the first (1947) and second (1959)


Flick Report 28 Jul 2011 10:01

There is no death for him on Ancestry, so it would appear that he was alive up to 2005.............


matthew Report 28 Jul 2011 10:05

i have tried conacting another member who has the joseph j c harman born in 1925 in there tree for futher deatails. i was just a little confused at why my fathers birth certificate would call her margaret harman if they where not married


Gins Report 28 Jul 2011 10:06

He's not showing on the ER either

Have you had a look on Scotlands People just in case they married there? If they are not there then it looks like Flicks theory might be correct

Your grandmother may have just taken Josephs name, things were not as accurate back in the 50s!


Gins Report 28 Jul 2011 10:09


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Margaret Harman
Name: Margaret Harman
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1920
Date of Registration: Dec 1993
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Enfield
Inferred County: Middlesex
Register number: C30D
District and Subdistrict: 2271C
Entry number: 279


matthew Report 28 Jul 2011 10:10

if this is the case and he may be still alive does anyone have any advice on my next step of action? i am very new to this and really apprciate the advice


Gins Report 28 Jul 2011 10:12

I checked the electoral roll for you and there is nothing showing for him. If he died after 2005 there will be no record available online

You could try that death certificate for Margaret and hope there is a lead?


matthew Report 28 Jul 2011 10:13

ginny does this look like i macthes up to you?


Name Margaret Strachan
Year of Registration 1921
Quarter of Registration Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Burnley
Registration County Lancashire
Mother's maiden name Douthwaite
Volume Number 8E
Volume Page 488


Name Margaret Harman
Year of Registration 1988
Month of Registration March
Registration District Leeds
Registration County Yorkshire
Date of Birth 18 April 1921
Volume Number 5
Volume Page 1128


Flick Report 28 Jul 2011 12:38

The birth cert details are 'as given' by the informant...........people didn't always tell the whole truth

Also, the registrar may have made assumptions about the marital status of the child's parents which were not 100% accurate.

Joseph's first marriage was in Oxfordshire - tallies with the 1925 birth reg'n.

The second was in Paddington, not a million miles from your father's birthplace

His wives were named June, Daphne and Jean, in order of marriage


FAIRTHORN Report 28 Jul 2011 12:50

Found Joseph J Harman
It has to be him ( unless this bloke was not born in England/Wales)

warned to be careful

Does Matthew's dad know about the children of the marriages ? <<<<<<<<<



Flick Report 28 Jul 2011 13:33

<<<<<<<<<<< Matthew's father is dead


FAIRTHORN Report 28 Jul 2011 14:05

Did not read the last part
but my message to Matthew did not mention his father, just the facts of his granddad's whereabouts.

THANKS as I was sending him another message
re Matthew's dad's half siblings, unless some else has done so.