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Hi all you great people
This is a reply I have had from my friend in Australia, I thought you might like to see it

Marj


Hello Marj, thank youand the team on GR, for finding that information for me, that is definately my Moms husband. I don't know where Runnymede is but I'll try to find it next time I am in England. I had told my mom that I would visit his memorial, and I will, I'll leave a rose there from her :-) I have been trying to work out why she lied to me about having a brother, I'll never know now but she did tell me that she named him Michael after his Dad, and I think that she loved her husband so much she wanted his memory to live on, so she invented a son.

Love from Denise xoxoxox

http://www.cwgc.org/admin/files/cwgc_runnymede.pdf

http://www.wyrdlight.com/stories/airforcerunnymede.htm

Your friend is not short of data on the internet

It looks a beautiful building.
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I wonder whether there might have been a birth that could be called a stillbirth rather than a miscarriage ( although I know that this should be in a separate closed register )

I found this death registration

Name: Michael J Singleton
Birth Date: abt 1942
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1942
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Wharfedale
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 160

but I do not see a good match in the births ... the only one is a birth in early 1942 in Wales that would not be the right family ( mother's surname )

although if that birth had been close to the date of death it would be too late for a birth to the marriage ...

a child born after Michael's death in July 1941 could have been born in very late 1941 or even early 1942 and so been not yet 1 year old at the time of the above death

I wonder whether it would be worth getting that certificate to check ?


along those lines another thought ... if the child was born before the marriage

birth
(Male) Singleton Jan-Feb-Mar 1940 Birmingham Warwickshire (mother Singleton)
death
Male Singleton abt 1940 Jan-Feb-Mar 1940 Birmingham

the mother's name is given as Singleton ... if she had given that name to be sure the child was named for his father ... ?


oh ... and further along those lines, the birth that Fairthorn found ...

birth
Thomas Ault Jan-Feb-Mar 1941 Manchester Lancashire (mother Ault)
death
Thomas Ault abt 1941 Jan-Feb-Mar 1941 Manchester Lancashire


to be sure whether any of them was a child of this couple the death certificates would be needed

I never thought of that chrissiex :-S

sadly,
but these will not be stillborn
cos as far as I knew, if they breathed ( sorry )
this is judged a live birth & a birth certificate can be issued.

yes I was thinking stillborn first as an explanation for what the mother said ... then I thought to check deaths for infant Singletons and then for the Ault birth too ... so either one, stillborn or death in infancy, would still be possible it seems ...

Sorry, it is such a sad subject

But if the child died within the 6 weeks you are allowed to register a birth, is that possibly why there is no birth certificate for the 1942 Michael J Singleton.

I wish I'd taken note of the thread but there was an instance were a stillborn baby's death was registered. The poster had the birth from the stillborn register.

Rose

FROM GOOGLE

Stillborn children were not registered prior to 1927.

Stillbirth registration was introduced on 1 July 1927 to help protect infant life, provide a valuable source of statistical information and to give parents the opportunity to have their child officially acknowledged. A stillborn child is a child born after the 24th week of pregnancy who did not breathe or show any other signs of life. When a child is stillborn the midwife or doctor will issue a medical certificate of stillbirth which will be used to register the stillbirth.

When stillbirth registration was introduced the the age limit was the end of the 28th week of pregnancy, not the 24th (as it is now). This is a relatively recent change following the greatly increased survival rates of premature babies.

Current GRO policy on obtaining stillbirth certificates: "Due to the sensitive nature of stillbirth registrations, the procedure for ordering a certificate of the entry differs from other types of certificates. We will only send out the application form after we have been contacted by phone or in writing by the mother or father (if he is named on the certificate). In cases where the parents are deceased, a brother or sister can apply if they can provide their parents' dates of death."