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Bridget O'Sullivan

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Jeannette

Jeannette Report 15 Dec 2011 20:42

Couldn't agree more Flick one of my GGGreat-Grandfathers Mum's died when he was young & he was raised by his Father & paternal Grandmother.
On his 1st Marriage certificate he accurately gives his Mother as Margaret Barnes.On his 2nd marriage certificate he names her as Elizabeth McColl which was his stepmother's name-his Father remarried shortly before GG-Great Grandpa's first marriage.He just made a mistake.

The most infuriating are when they don't know their Grandparents names! Despite the fact I never met either my maternal Granny or paternal Grandpa I knew their names & where they came from & also their parents names.

Joy Kentish Maid

Joy Kentish Maid Report 15 Dec 2011 16:06

" in Scotland ....... Marriage certificates have given the names of both parents including the mother's maiden surname."
which would be correct if known by the people getting married; I know of one case where the mother's maiden surname was given incorrectly (the mother had died before the marriage took place so could not be asked, and the father lived in another country at that time so could not be asked).

Flick

Flick Report 15 Dec 2011 14:57

Precisely the point I was making, rootgatherer.

I know what info is on Scottish certs, but it all comes down to................

IF.IF. IF.................. the info is known accurately by the informant.

KINGSMILL

KINGSMILL Report 15 Dec 2011 14:30

One thing I did not understand when I sadly registered my mum's death in England, the registry ask for her date of marriage, which is not put on the certificate.

the only thing I could think of,
this data was used & linked to her pension, so they would know to stop any future payments.

:-S

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Dec 2011 11:18

Well another advantage in Scotland is the tradition of naming children. My maternal grandmother was one of ten children and seven of her siblings had childen resulting in my Great Grandmother having 6 grandchildren (and even some great grandchildren) named for her including her maiden surname! The same thing happened on my father's side so I have always been aware of my Grandmothers' maiden surnames and those of my Great Grandmothers.

jax

jax Report 15 Dec 2011 00:06

Thats the trouble, does not matter what country they died in if the informant does not know, or gives incorrect info...whats the point?

I doubt whether when my own grandparents died (together) that any of their children knew what their grandparents names were if they were to be added to the certs? As they died in England it was'nt asked but as it was after 1969 their dates of births were, and one of those was wrong

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 14 Dec 2011 23:43

Flick, in Scotland since Statutory registration began death certificate have always given the parents names including the mother's maiden surname and all spouses names if the informant knew the details. Marriage certificates have given the names of both parents including the mother's maiden surname.

Flick

Flick Report 14 Dec 2011 22:46

After 1969, English/Welsh certs have actual DOB, birthplace and (if a married woman) maiden surname.

BUT........all that info is 'as known' to the informant........presumably the same applies in Scotland

Jeannette

Jeannette Report 14 Dec 2011 19:53

I'm gobsmacked at the paucity of information on English Death certificates-how do you know you have the right person when their parents name or marital status & names of wife/wives are not on it?
Scotland did well in waiting for Stat Reg & doing it better.
Thanks for the advice re the Adoption Registers & the Dept of Work & Pension.Will give both a try.

KINGSMILL

KINGSMILL Report 14 Dec 2011 05:49

As Bridget will be receiving a pension
you could write, enclosing her National Insurance number, to the following


http://www.dwp.gov.uk/other-specialists/bulk-letter-forwarding-service/

Department for Work and Pensions
Bulk Letter Forwarding Service
Room M0201
Durham House
Washington
Tyne & Wear
NE38 7SF


We are open from between the hours of 13.00 and 21.00, Monday to Friday except for bank holidays.

Telephone: 0191 225 2190
Fax: 0191 225 2359



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Flick

Flick Report 13 Dec 2011 23:33

If my interpretaion is accurate...............advise Stephen to add his details to the adoption contact register.

jax

jax Report 13 Dec 2011 21:07

This tells you what is on the death cert

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/deaths.htm

If his wife or one of the children registered it their name and address should be on there

Jeannette

Jeannette Report 13 Dec 2011 20:59

As far as we know Bridget's Mother was married to John O'Sullivan but have no idea of her name or when they married.Only know that her sisters were Kathleen & Maureen & that one was married & the other a dressmaker in 1964.Her three brothers were living at home in Kilburn with the Mother.
I thought as it was War time she might have been evacuated after birth & registered elsewhere.
We have her National Insurance no -anyway of tracing her through that?
I am not familiar with the English BMD system as all my relatives are Scottish/Irish.
No don't have the death certificate - what info does an English death certificate give-parents names?Spouse's name? marital status? Worth buying?
Thanks for the help folks & the suggestions.

jax

jax Report 13 Dec 2011 01:54

This is the death you think could be her father? do you have the cert?

Name: John J O'sullivan
Birth Date: abt 1907
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1959
Age at Death: 52
Registration district: Paddington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 180

jax

jax Report 13 Dec 2011 01:49

I see Stephens birth so Bridget is his mother and yes you are right Rose there are too many John O'sullivan marriages and most of them are in London

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 13 Dec 2011 01:44

Jeannette,

Dates and ages would help for any of her relatives. There are so many O'Sullivans.

It's hard to understand the situation without more info. Was John married before? When did he marry the mother of Maureen and Kathleen? Would help to know her name.

If he weren't married to Bridget's mother, then it's unlikely her name was O'Sullivan.

Rose

jax

jax Report 13 Dec 2011 01:35

There are too many Bridget O'sullivans that married after 1963 to say which one is her if any

Jeannette

Jeannette Report 13 Dec 2011 01:06

We don't know her parents names but think her Father was John J O'sullivan.
We have papers that give her date of birth-Stephen is a very close blood relative.

Flick

Flick Report 12 Dec 2011 22:43

How is her actual DOB known?

How is Stephen related to her?

Flick

Flick Report 12 Dec 2011 22:41

Have you looked on Friendsreunited?

There is a workplace section on the site............and an address search