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George Arthur Virth

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Michael

Michael Report 15 Mar 2012 13:49

Hi Al
Born in Boston 1884 Married Beatrice Emma Baker (Yarmouth) in 1902/3 anyone who knows George's and Beatice's Mother and Father wil be greatly appreciated.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 15 Mar 2012 13:53

Have you not got the marriage cert?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 15 Mar 2012 13:55

1911 but not born in Boston

HARRIS, Ann Head Widow F 75 1836 Old Age Pensioner Holbeach Lincolnshire VIEW
VIRTH, George Arthur Boarder Married
4 years M 27 1884 Miller Holland Fen Lincs VIEW
VIRTH, Beatrice Emma Boarder Wife Married F 25 1886 Yarmouth Norfolk VIEW
VIRTH, Dorothy Emma Boarder Son F 3 1908 Skirbeck Boston Linc VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
19590 Reference:
RG14PN19590 RG78PN1176 RD415 SD3 ED2 SN449

Registration District:
Boston Sub District:
Boston Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Boston

Address:
14 Foster Street Boston



What research have you done ?

patchem

patchem Report 15 Mar 2012 14:14

Holland Fen is about 8 miles from Boston, so same area......

For ref:
Deaths Dec 1943
Virth George A 61 Boston 7a 554

Added:
Cannot see birth.

Added:
Births Dec 1882
Verth George Arthur Boston 7a 432

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 15 Mar 2012 14:23

Nor can I find any further trace of this one

Name: Lizzie Virth Virth
Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1884
Registration district: Bourne
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 441


Unless they are both down as Fish on 1891

patchem

patchem Report 15 Mar 2012 14:26

Miller in 1901 (at The Mill Farm)
George Varth
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Kiston Fen, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Freiston Ecclesiastical parish: Frieston St James County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England
Registration district: Boston Sub-registration district: Benington
ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 89 Piece: 3042 Folio: 30 Page Number: 13
Thomas Richardson 44
Frances Richardson 42
Edith Richardson 8
Alvia Hill 14
xxx George Varth 18 miller and baker
George Hepton 18
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3042; Folio: 30; Page: 13.

patchem

patchem Report 15 Mar 2012 14:30

Was he born before his Mother married?
Marriages Jun 1885
Johnson Thomas Boston 7a 773
Verth Agnes Boston 7a 773

You need to get the 1882 birth certificate (as well as that 1906 marriage certificate)

Michael

Michael Report 16 Mar 2012 14:13

Have found that 1901 cenus very unreliable.
knew that he was born in Kirton in 1884 but is not on 1901 census.
Am going to get Birth Certificat but cannot get any data off any Virth other than Agnes born in Scotland,
Beatrice Emma Baker born in Yarmouth 1886 again no 1901 data
Very new to this so any pointers is very much appreciated.
Thankyou Cynthia

patchem

patchem Report 16 Mar 2012 14:26

How do you mean that the 1901 census is unreliable?

Added:
I cannot see a Beatrice Emma Baker born Yarmouth on free bmd.

Have you got the marriage certificate for them for Fathers' names?

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Mar 2012 14:43

The info on the 1901 census is, as with all censuses, as given to the enumerators by the heads of the households, so any 'unreliablility' lies with them

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Mar 2012 14:45

You obviously haven't verified the 'info' you gave in your first post

Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
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BAKER Beatrice Emma Boston 7a 909
DOUSE George Henry Boston 7a 909
PICKWELL Betsy Boston 7a 909
VIRTH George Arthur Boston 7a 909

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Mar 2012 14:46

1911 census - household transcription
Person: VIRTH, Beatrice Emma
Address: 14 Foster Street Boston

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HARRIS, Ann Head Widow F 75 1836 Old Age Pensioner Holbeach Lincolnshire VIEW
VIRTH, George Arthur Boarder Married
4 years M 27 1884 Miller Holland Fen Lincs VIEW
VIRTH, Beatrice Emma Boarder Wife Married F 25 1886 Yarmouth Norfolk VIEW
VIRTH, Dorothy Emma Boarder Son F 3 1908 Skirbeck Boston Linc VIEW

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Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Mar 2012 14:48

Name: Beatrice E Virth
Birth Date: abt 1885
Date of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1958
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Falmouth
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 7a
Page: 36

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Mar 2012 14:51

If you purchase the marriage cert, you will learn whether either of them knew their fathers

patchem

patchem Report 16 Mar 2012 14:52

This is possibly her in 1901, and there are others, but without that marriage certificate information we are just fishing blind...........
1901
Name: Beatrice E Baker
Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Israel J Baker Mother's Name: Emma Baker
Gender: Female Where born: Great Warmorth (Yarmouth)
Civil parish: Boston Ecclesiastical parish: St Botolph and St James
Town: Boston County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England ct: Boston Sub-registration district: Boston
ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 212 Piece: 3044 Folio: 159
Page Number: 33
Israel J Baker 33
Emma Baker 35
Beatrice E Baker 15
Israel J Baker 12
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3044; Folio: 159; Page: 33.

You have put that you would like pointers/advice.

It is to buy the certificates as you work back.

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Mar 2012 14:56

This looks like 1891 relating to the 1885 marriage posted by patchem

Name: Agnes Johnson
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Johnson
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: North Forty Foot Bank
Ecclesiastical parish: Holland Fen
Town: North Forty Foot Bank
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England


Registration district: Boston
Sub-registration district: Swineshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2576
Folio: 107
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Johnson 30
Agnes Johnson 27
Lizzie Johnson 6 ****************born N 40 Foot Bank, Lincolnshire
Alice Johnson 4
Caroline Johnson 2
Lily Johnson 11/12
Thomas Johnson 62
George Johnson 24

********Possibly equates to the birth posted by Glitter baby

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Mar 2012 14:58

1901 - note the second initial

Name: Lizzie V Johnson
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Johnson
Mother's Name: Anner Johnson
Gender: Female
Where born: Kirton, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: North Forty Foot Bank
Ecclesiastical parish: Extra Parochial
Town: Barley Sheaf and Holland Fen
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Boston
Sub-registration district: Kirton
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Piece: 3041
Folio: 97
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Johnson 40
Anner Johnson 37
Lizzie V Johnson 16
Agnes Johnson 14
Caroline Johnson 12
Lily M Johnson 10
Rose A Johnson 8
George T S Johnson 6
Daisy Johnson 4
William J Johnson 3
Alice V Johnson 2
Harold B Johnson 10 Months
Thomas Johnson 60

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Mar 2012 17:00

1881

Name: Agnes Virth
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland

Civil parish: Little Steeping
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address: The Manor House
Occupation: General Serv

Registration district: Spilsby
Sub-registration district: Spilsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3255
Folio: 4
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
John Fortescue 48
Henrietta Lumby 31
Agnes Virth 17


Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Mar 2012 17:06

Perhaps Beatrice didn't like her given second name

Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
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Baker Beatrice Edith Yarmouth 4b 4


And changed it to Emma - after (possibly) her mother

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Mar 2012 17:07

The first of these births would seem to suggest that Agnes was indeed George's mother

Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
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VIRTH Agnes M Baker Boston 7a 777

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Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Virth James A Baker Boston 7a 777

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Births Dec 1916 (>99%)
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Virth Donald Baker Boston 7a 693

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Births Mar 1919 (>99%)
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Virth N**** Baker Boston 7a 527

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