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Hi,
I think I may have cracked this case with your help.
I followed the Wilkinson Floyd and Annie Smith line.
She appears on the 1911 census as living at 19 Ormond Street, South Shields. My Father in Law was born at 13 Ormond Street, South Shields - too much of a coincidence I think.
This would make my Husbands Grandfather Robert I C Floyd, why did he change his middle name to Shannon that is anybodies guess.
As Wilkinson was a draper and this is what is on the marriage certificate of Robert and Isabella it is all too much of a coincidence, mind you we do have Robert putting his Fathers name as Robert, but as Wilkinson seems to have disappeared what is a name change!
Thank you everybody for your help you were most kind and thank God for the 1911 census.
Regards
Pam :-D

Sorry i have never used these threads before and didn't realise how you are supposed to answer even though I have been a member for years.
Have just looked at original 1911 census and see what you mean about Tomas, so perhaps that explains about my Father in law not being on any census. I suppose putting him down as a labourer is just one of those errors.
Looked at the marriage certificate and it shows William Scales and Polly Murray as witnesses.
Everything I can find about Robert shows him being born in South Shields, there are family rumours about a Scottish connection.
Guess I will have to keep looking, at least my Mother in laws family are easy as they didn't move very far from their home village in Devon.
Thanks once again.
Pam
:-) :-)

Have you looked at the original of the 1911 census, as 'Tomas' is initially down as son and an infant, and this entry has been amended?

With a middle name of Shannon, was he actually born in Ireland?

I've just opened the same reply Reggie :-D


I'll go back to Pamela again and advise her to post on here. Cx.

Who witnessed the 1904 marriage?

PM received - have advised Pam that I am copying it here

Hi,
Thanks for coming back with this information, sorry I haven't answered before I have been in bed with flu and I can tell you the last thing on my mind was family history.
Now what I know is that on my father in laws birth certificate it show Thomas Lilly Floyd born in South Shields 30.09.1909, father Robert Floyd, mother Isabella Floyd formerly Scales - living at 13 Ormonde Street South Shields. In 1912 when David W E Floyd was born they lived at 11 Alderson Street South Shields.
On my in laws marriage certificate Thomas Lilly's Father is named as Robert Edward Floyd (deceased) a rivetter.
I then got the marriage certificate that shows Robert Shannon Floyd and Isabella Scales married on 04.04.1904 living at 73 Morton Street. Father's name is given as Robert Floyd (deceased) a draper.
I also looked on the 1911 census and found them living at 24 Burrow Streeet, South Shields. As boarders are Robert age 31, Isabella age 27, Isabella age 5 (Daughter) and Tomas age 26, no sign of Thomas Lilly who would have been about 2.
We always knew that Robert had died in WW1 as my Husbands Grandmother remarried to Samuel Jobling, so I looked on deaths in WW1 and found he died on the first day's landing at Gallipoli.
I can not find them on any other census and have been told that Robert's war record no longer exists.
I have contacted some Jobling's that still live in the South Shields area but they know nothing of Isabell'a first husband. I also found all the information that has been given in this thread but none of it feels right.
As I live in Devon going to the area to search would be a major event, so I thought that trying a thread might help.
Thanks once again for your help.
Pam

I automatically sent one of my pm's yesterday.

It hasn't been opened as yet.

I usually give the new folk 24 hours to return to their thread before I send one.

I rarely remind those who have over 20 posts to their names - they should have sussed the system by then I reckon. :-D



Cx

I have sent a personal message to Pamela advising how to get back to her threads.

I've just noticed that Pamela includes the surname Scales in her 'researching' list, so she knows more than she implies in her post

1891

Name: Robert Floyd Lillie
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Lillie
Mother's Name: Annie Lillie
Gender: Male
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England

Civil parish: Westoe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: Westoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4155
Folio: 42
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Lillie 47
Annie Lillie 40
James Smith Lillie 18
Robert Floyd Lillie 10
Thomas Lillie 4
Edward Lillie 3
Alfred Lillie 1

Name: David William E Floyd
Birth Date: 27 Oct 1912
Date of registration: Apr-May-Jun 1978
Age at Death: 65
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: West Midlands
Volume: 32
Page: 0140

Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
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Floyd Robert Shannon S. Shields 10a 1387
LILICO Jane Elizabeth S. Shields 10a 1387
Pollard Edward S. Shields 10a 1387
Scales Isabella S. Shields 10a 1387

Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
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Floyd David W E Scales S.Shields 10a 1709


Two births on freebmd for Jobling/Scales - I'll let you look for them yourself

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Isabella Floyd Name: Isabella Floyd
Spouse Surname: Jobling
Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Registration district: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1980
Find Spouse: SAMUEL

1911 census - household transcription
Person: FLOYD, Robert
Address: 24 Burrow St South Shields


BENSON, Mary Jane Widower F 60 1851 Great Lumley VIEW
BENSON, Maggie Daughter Single F 19 1892 Servants Domestic So Shields VIEW
FLOYD, Robert Boarder Married M 31 1880 Labourer Shipyard So Shields VIEW
FLOYD, Isabella Boarder Married
7 years F 27 1884 So Shields VIEW
FLOYD, Isabella Boarder Single F 5 1906 So Shields VIEW
FLOYD, Tomas Boarder Single M 26 1885 Labourer Shipyard So Shields VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30271 Reference:
RG14PN30271 RG78PN1745A RD556 SD1 ED12 SN241

Hello Pamela and welcome to the community boards.


If you are looking for connections on this site, the best thing to do is to put the names you are researching into the Search Trees box above to see if anyone has them in their tree.


If you find a connection, you can contact the tree owner Cx

This is the one patchem found in the 1881 census:-

FLOYD, Wilkinson Head Married M 30 1851 Draper Reeth Yorkshire
FLOYD, Annie R Wife Married F 30 1851 So Shields Durham
SMITH, James Son Single M 8 1873
So Shields Durham
FLOYD, Robert I C Son Single M 0 1881 So Shields Durham<<<<<<

Address:
82, Catherine St, Westoe

Piece: 5010
Folio: 40
Page: 11
Registration District: South Shields

This is the parent's marriage:-

Name: FLOYD, Wilkinson
Registration district: South Shields
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1880
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name Not available before 1912
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 856

Also on the page is Anne Smith.

Kath, x

This is the only Robert Floyd born in South Shields on free bmd:
Births Dec 1880
Floyd Robert Ingle C South Shields 10a 650

How did you arrive at his name, and do you know how old and where he came from?
Thanks

Added:
This one?
Robert Floyd
Birth Place: South Shields, Durham
Death Date: 25 Apr 1915
Death Location: Gallipoli
Enlistment Location: South Shields
Rank: Private
Regiment: Border Regiment
Battalion: 1st Battalion
Number: 6527
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Balkan Theatre

I am trying to trace the family of Robert Floyd who died at Gallipoli in 1915, can anybody help? :-)