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Frank Rainer 1876

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Virginia S

Virginia S Report 10 Apr 2012 18:08

I am trying to find living relations of Frank Rainer born 1876 died August 1953 in Torquay Devon, his daughter Ms E.M.Pearce living at Harvey Road, London registered his death. Frank was the eldest son of Benjimin and Marianne Rainer and was born in Great Yarmouth. Frank workied in banking and was made a bank manager in due course. He had three brothers,Welton (1880) Sidney (1885) and Gevy (1889) and a sister Gertrude (1877). At the age of 20 he and the family were living in London. I know that in 1936 he was living in Hove,Sussex then on to Torquay Devon.
I would be glad of any help.
Virginia.

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Jonesey

Jonesey Report 10 Apr 2012 18:41

1911 for reference and his full name:

Name: Frank Shirley Rainer
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: The Bank, High Street, Dulwich Village, Dulwich
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: BANK MANAGER
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration District Number: 27
Sub-registration district: Dulwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Piece: 2456
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Shirley Rainer 35
Edith White Rainer 34
Muriel Edith May Rainer 8
Martha Moore 48

Guessing that Mrs E M Pearce was his daughter Muriel Edith May.

Marriages Sep 1923
Rainer Muriel E M Wimshurst Paddington 1a 3

Marriages Mar 1947
Wimshurst Muriel E M Pearce Newton A. 7a 1039

It does not look as though the Wimshurst/Rainer union produced any children.

It also looks as though Muriel Edith May was the only child of Frank Shirley Rainer and Edith White Musgrave.

Name: Frank Shirley Rainer
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Spouse Name: Edith White Musgrave
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Jul 1901
Parish: Herne Hill
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Benjamin Butcher Rainer
Spouse Father Name: George Musgrave
Register Type: Parish Register

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Apr 2012 22:46

Name: Muriel E M Pearce
Birth Date: abt 1902
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1960
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Greenwich
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5c
Page: 498

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Apr 2012 22:51

1881

Name: Benjamin B. Rainer
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Marion Rainer
Gender: Male
Where born: Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: 22a High Street
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Manager Boot And Shoe Trade

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 807
Folio: 101
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin B. Rainer 33
Marion Rainer 30
Frank S. Rainer 5
Gertrude M. Rainer 4
Wilton M. Rainer 1
Emily Creasey 21

1891

Name: Benjamin B Rainer
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Marianore Rainer
Gender: Male
Where born: Istgarmanth, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Lee
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Blackheath
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Lee
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 518
Folio: 116
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin B Rainer 43
Marianore Rainer 40
Frank S Rainer 15
Gertrude M Rainer 14
Wilton M Rainer 11
Sidney M Rainer 6
Grey M Rainer 2
Charles C Hull 34
Minnie Kery 24

1911

Name: Benjamin Butcher Rainer
Age in 1911: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Lewisham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 16 Osberton Road, Lee, Kent S E
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: PUBLISHERS ACCOUNTANT
Registration district: Lewisham
Registration District Number: 29
Sub-registration district: Lee
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 2745
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Butcher Rainer 63
Mary Annie Rainer 60
Gertrude Mary Rainer 33
Gwy Marler Rainer 22
Florence Harriet Buckingham 32
Richard Sydney Field 26





Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Apr 2012 22:55

1901


Name: Marianne Rainer
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Benjamin Rainer
Gender: Female
Where born: Massingham, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Lee
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England



Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Lee
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 331
Piece: 546
Folio: 28
Page Number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Rainer 50
Marianne Rainer 47
Frank Rainer 25
Gertrude Rainer 24
Wilton Rainer 21
Sydney Rainer 16
Guy Rainer 12
Florence Buckingham 23

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Apr 2012 22:57

If Muriel was Frank's only child - have you checked? - it seems there are no descendants, as his daughter appears not to have had any children (at least, not legitimate ones)

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Apr 2012 23:02

Have you looked in search trees to find out if anyone else on GR is researching this family?

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Apr 2012 23:03

Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
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RAINER Guy Marler Lewisham 1d 1080


Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1912 (>99%)
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Rainer Guy M Woods Strand 1b 1102

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Marriages Dec 1936 (>99%)
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RAINER Guy M Billing Exeter 5b 251


Name: Guy M Rainer
Birth Date: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1965
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 193

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Apr 2012 23:03

Births Mar 1880 (>99%)
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RAINER Wilton Marler Chorlton 8c 877

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Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
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Rainer Wilton Marler Pancras 1b 298

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Apr 2012 23:10

Marriages Mar 1875 (>99%)
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MARLER Mary Ann King's L 4b 532
MARLER Mary Anne King's L. 4b 532
Rainer Benjamin Butcher King's L. 4b 532


Deaths Sep 1932 (>99%)
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Rainer Benjamin B 85 Blean 2a 1052

Virginia S

Virginia S Report 11 Apr 2012 15:37

Thank you everyone for your help re Frank Shirley Rainer...Virginia :-) :-D

Virginia S

Virginia S Report 11 Apr 2012 17:19

Thank you everyone. Does any one know anything about Frank Shirley Rainer Bank Manager living in Brighton/Hove between 1935 and 1941?
V.

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 11 Apr 2012 17:31

He made a trip to Australia with his wife in 1934:

Name: Mr F S Rainer
Birth Date: abt 1876
Age: 58
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 24 May 1934
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Brisbane
[Sydney]
[Hobart]
[Melbourne]
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
Ship Name: Oronsay
Search Ship Database: View the 'Oronsay' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Orient Line
Official Number: 145603

Their address in Hove was 38 Rochester Close, Hove

I have not got a sub to FMP but it appears as if they left Southampton bound for Genoa, Italy that same year:

RAINER Frank Shirley 1876 M 1934 Southampton Italy Genoa
RAINER Edith Shirley 1877 F 1934 Southampton Italy Genoa

Lynski

Lynski Report 12 Apr 2012 04:11

Name: Mr Frank Shirley RAINER
Date of departure: 4 May 1934
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: Genoa, Italy
Passenger destination: Genoa, Italy

Date of Birth: 1876 (calculated from age)
Age: 58
Marital status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Bank Manager
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 8





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Mrs Edith Shirley RAINER Page 1 of 8 View transcript



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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
MARNIX VAN ST ALDEGONDE

J N Egmond
Nederland Line Royal Dutch Mail
Java, Indonesia

19000
153

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 12 Apr 2012 08:56

Based upon what Lynski has found details of it would appear that the Rainers did not travel to Australia. Somehow it appears as if they managed to return from their trip to Italy on a ship that had left Brisbane and probably had called into Genoa on its way back to England.

Virginia S

Virginia S Report 12 Apr 2012 09:17

Thank you Jonesey and Lynski you have both been a great help to our family
Virginia :-) :-D

Virginia S

Virginia S Report 12 Apr 2012 09:19

Thank you Jonesey and Lynski you have both been a great help to our family
Virginia :-) :-D

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Apr 2012 13:01

1911 census - household transcription
Person: RAINER, Wilton Murler
Address: 3 Rosenthal Road Catford

C

RAINER, Wilton Murler Head Married M 31 1880 Bank Cashier Lancashire Manchester VIEW
RAINER, Beatrice Bertha Wife Married
5 years F 24 1887 Ireland Killamey VIEW
RAINER, Violet Mollie Daughter F 4 1907 Kent Blackheath VIEW
RAINER, Kenneth Charles Wilton Son M 2 1909 Kent Catford VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2783 Reference:
RG14PN2783 RG78PN95 RD29 SD3 ED34 SN294

Registration District:
Lewisham Sub District:
Lewisham Enumeration District:
34 Parish:


Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Apr 2012 13:08

Possible record?

Name: Sidney Rainer
Birth Date: abt 1885
Age: 37
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date: 27 Apr 1922
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: La Plata
[Montevideo]
Ship Name: Highland Laddie
Search Ship Database: View the 'Highland Laddie' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Nelson Line
Official Number: 129082

Occupation: Representative

Proposed UK address: High St, Torquay