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Looking for Martin Butler (1916)

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Paul

Paul Report 19 May 2012 01:42

Hello, can anyone help me please?

I am trying to discover what happened to my gr Uncle, Martin Andrew George Butler, who was born February 1916, in the Woolwich/Plumstead area.

All I know is that he was fostered at a young age by Violet Mabel Dunn, but then disappeared of all trace.

I am not sure whether he went to war, or moved away. I have checked death records, but can't find anything to say he died.

He may be in a home for the elderly. Who knows!

If anyone can help as to how I can search records for either type of home that would be appreciated.

Many Thanks

Paul :-( :-(

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 19 May 2012 01:58

Was Violet an Aunt?

Births Mar 1916
Butler Martin A G Dunn Woolwich 1d 2230

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 19 May 2012 02:05

What happened to Violet?

Rose

patchem

patchem Report 19 May 2012 07:26

Violet?
Births Dec 1888
DUNN Violet Mabel Woolwich 1d 1196

?
Deaths Mar 1921
Dunn Violet M 32 Lewisham 1d 1121

??
DUNN, Violet Head Single F 25 1886 Wine Coil Winder Kent Woolwich
DUNN, Eva Daughter F 2 1909 Kent Plumstead

RG number: RG14 Piece: 2912 Reference: RG14PN2912 RG78PN100 RD30 SD4 ED8 SN93
Registration District: Woolwich Sub District: Plumstead East
Enumeration District: 8 Parish: Plumstead
Address: 7 Bastion R'd Bostall Hill Plumstead County: London

Reggie

Reggie Report 19 May 2012 09:25

If the death found by patchem is that of Martin's aunt, as seems extremely likely, he would have been aged only 5, and probably put into a home of some sort, unless there were other relations who were able to look after him

Do you know what happened to Violet's daughter?

Reggie

Reggie Report 19 May 2012 09:35

This death does not have a corresponding birth entry on freebmd

Name: Martin Andrew Manning
Birth Date: 9 Jan 1916
Date of Registration: Oct 1991
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Volume: 5
Page: 402

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 19 May 2012 09:35

No birth for an Eva then but there is this:

Births Mar 1909 (>99%)
Dunn Evelyn Louise Woolwich 1d 1267

Marriages Dec 1928 (>99%)
DUNN Evelyn L Dunn Woolwich 1d 2325
DUNN Robert J Dunn Woolwich 1d 2325

Rose

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 20 May 2012 10:22

Transferred from other thread.

Paul I have spent time last night researching information already posted for you.
It not only wastes time but it does not get you the best results.

Possible siblings for Martin

Births Sep 1913
Butler Louis H Dunn Woolwich 1d 2379
Births Dec 1914
BUTLER Frank A Dunn Woolwich 1d 2254


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LadyKira Report Edit Delete 20 May 2012 01:39
1901 census 88a, Maxey Road, Plumstead
Cost

DUNN, Robert Head Married M 56 1845 Assistant Foreman Royal Arsenal
Monksilver Somersetshire
DUNN, Eliza Jane Wife Married F 48 1853 Green Grocer
Monksilver Somersetshire
DUNN, Louis Henry Son Single M 19 1882 Green Grocer
Coventry
Warwickshire
DUNN, James Son Single M 16 1885 Cartridge Factory Labourer Ireland
DUNN, Frank Son Single M 14 1887 Green Grocer
Monksilver Somersetshire
DUNN, Violet M Daughter Single F 12 1889 Woolwich London
DUNN, Katie T Daughter Single F 10 1891
Woolwich
DUNN, Martin A Son Single M 7 1894
Woolwich
MCKENZIE, Collin John Boarder Single M 52 1849 Seaman
Scotland


1891 census
t Address: 14, Mulgrave Place, Woolwich
DUNN, Robert Head Married M 46 1845 Arsenal Labourer
Taunton Somersetshire
DUNN, Eliza J Wife Married F 41 1850
Taunton Somersetshire
DUNN, Walter J Son Single M 14 1877 Arsenal Labourer
India
DUNN, Louis H Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Coventry Warwickshire
DUNN, James Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Ireland
DUNN, Frank Son M 4 1887 Scholar
Taunton
Somersetshire
DUNN, Violet Daughter F 2 1889
Woolwich Kent
DUNN, Kate L Daughter F 0 (6M) 1891
Woolwich Kent
DUNN, Eliza Mother Widow F 68 1823 Living On Her Means
Taunton Somersetshire

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 20 May 2012 10:36

1911 Institution: R E A S C R A M C A V C And Staff And Departments, ROYAL ENGINEERS, ARMY SERVICE CORPS, ROYAL ARMY MEDICAL CORPS, ARMY VETERINARY CORPS, HARRISMITH, OR Military details: Trumpeter 99 Battery R F A
DUNN, Marlin Andrew Single ? 17 1894 Woolwich

possible death for Martin
Name: DUNN, Martin ARegistration district: [?] Dartford County: KentYear of registration: 1933Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at death:39 Volume no: 2A Page no: 732

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 20 May 2012 10:40

1911 Address: 3 Breakspears Road Brockley S E
ROBERTS, Henry William Head Married M 66 1845 Medical Officer Of Health Sussex Burwahs
ROBERTS, Eliza Wife Married33 years F 58 1853 Gravesend
ROBERTS, Edith Daughter Single F 32 1879 London Brockley ST
DUNN, Kate Lilia Single F 22 1889 Housemaid Domestic Woolwich <<<<<<
SUTHERLAND, Alexina Single F 26 1885 Cook Domestic Scotland Aberdeen

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 20 May 2012 10:51

London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 about Martin Andw Dunn
Name: Martin Andw Dunn
Age: 9
Birth Date: 11 Nov 1892
School: Plumstead High Street School
Borough: Greenwich
Admission Date: 25 Aug 1902
Parent: Robert
Notes: High Street School, Plumstead (0783) opened in 1893. Renamed Plumstead High Street School in 1921, then Bannockburn School in 1951
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV06/HIG2/AD/001
Address looks like 97 Marmadon Street

That was my primary School too.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 20 May 2012 10:52

London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 about Martin Andw Dunn
Name: Martin Andw Dunn
Age: 10
Birth Date: 11 Nov 1892
School: Plumstead High Street School
Borough: Greenwich
Admission Date: 28 Sep 1903
Parent: Robert
Notes: High Street School, Plumstead (0783) opened in 1893. Renamed Plumstead High Street School in 1921, then Bannockburn School in 1951
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV06/HIG2/AD/001

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 20 May 2012 11:06

A tree on Ancestry has Violet marrying a Butler but it is unverified.
Could be worth contacting the owner.


Louis H Butler
Williamson Family Tree
BIRTH: 1913 - London, England
DEATH: 1972
PARENTS: Abraham Butler, Violet Mabel Dunn

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 20 May 2012 11:17

It does not make sense as she has it as Abraham's second marriage/ relationship according to her and his first wife does not die until 1918 .
There are children with death datesbut marked private so worth talking to her though.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 20 May 2012 11:20

This would be Abraham in 1911 with his first wife

1911 census
Address: 6 Rippolson Road Plumstead
BUTLER, Abraham Head M (M) Team Conductor L C C Plumstead Kent
BUTLER, Alice Wife Married8 years F 26 1885 Plumstead Kent
BUTLER, Louie Daughter F 7 1904 Plumstead Kent
BUTLER, Sidney Auther Son M 4 1907 Plumstead Kent
BUTLER, Leonard Son M 2 1909 Plumstead Kent
BUTLER, Robert Son M 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Plumstead Kent

I lived on that road too.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 20 May 2012 11:35

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Katie Lily Dunn
Name: Katie Lily Dunn
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1890
Baptism Date: 9 Dec 1890
Father's Name: Robert Dunn
Mother's Name: Eliza Jane Dunn
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 20 May 2012 11:36

How do you know about him Paul?
Was the info passed down from a family member?