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Violet Knight

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۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 2 Apr 2013 09:56

Yay! Glad it worked out :-)

Anne

Anne Report 1 Apr 2013 23:46

Hi Cherilyn

I have been in contact with my second cousin Stanley Beck in Adelaide and I would like to thank you so much for your help in this matter

Anne :-)

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 25 Mar 2013 07:10

My pleasure, that's so wonderful! :-)

Anne

Anne Report 24 Mar 2013 17:19

Hi Cherilyn
Update on the Beck Famly. Thanks so much for suggesting The Ryerson Index. I have found the Death Notice and found the names of Fred and Edith Mabels grandchildren and great grandchildren. Your help has been invaluable and I don't know how I would have managed with your assistance. Thanks a lot

Anne :

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 11 Jan 2013 00:41

:-D

Anne

Anne Report 9 Jan 2013 19:49

Hi Cherilyn

Wow! I am speechless at the information you have managed to find. I knew about Frederick and Edith Mabel as I did meet them back in the 1950s, but Ernest is a complete mystery. My grandmother never spoke of her brother Ernest and all I found out from her years ago was Frederick and Ernest emigrated just after WW1

As you have found a marriage for Ernest I will alter my tree to that effect.

Once again, many many thanks.

Anne

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 3 Jan 2013 06:36

First wife Martha died young, only about a month after the birth of their youngest child on 30 Dec 1885:

The South Australian Advertiser, Monday 25 January 1886
PASH.—On the 24th January, at Tynte-street, N.A., Martha, the beloved wife of F. J. Pash, aged 39 years, leaving a husband and nine children to mourn their loss.

He remarried 22/3/1888 to Zilpah FRANCIS (1862-1914). They had a son born in 1899 - same year as Alice Violet was born (so she had an uncle the same age as she was!).

See www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html for SA bdms.

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 3 Jan 2013 06:24

Bit more on the PASH line - this is Alice Violet PASH's grandfather's obituary:

The Register, Wednesday 16 April 1913
Mr. Frederick James Pash, who for many years had been widely known and highly esteemed in Adelaide musical circles, died on Monday, at his residence, Childers street, North Adelaide, from peritonitis, following upon an illness which had manifested itself only on the previous day. Deceased, who was born in London, 65 years ago, was brought to South Australia in infancy. He conducted a saddlery business in Currie street, and in his spare time assisted the musical department of various church enterprises, and was also a member of' the Orpheus Society. Mr. Pash led the Archer Street Methodist Church Choir for 37 years, and resigned from the position two years ago. In 1887 he led the choirs for some of the concerts in the Adelaide Exhibition, and had frequently. wielded the baton in connection with large mission and Sunday school combined choirs for special occasions, and his services at the Tatala Labour Prison were highly appreciated. He has left a widow, nine sons, and one daughter (Mrs. Goldsmith).

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 3 Jan 2013 06:01

Sadly Edith Marjorie [as per index] died in 1921 :-( Her parents lived long lives and are memorialised at Centennial Park, as is Ernest. No sign of Alice Violet.

Name: Edith Mabel
Surname: Beck
Last Abode: Unley
Date of Death: 05/05/1976 (Aged 81 Years)
Sex: Female

Name: Frederick James
Surname: Beck
Last Abode: Morphettville
Date of Death: 13/07/1981 (Aged 90 Years)
Sex: Male

Name: Ernest William
Surname: Beck
Last Abode: Adelaide
Date of Death: Not Listed [interred 13/11/1947] (Aged 60 Years)
Sex: Male

His wife is not mentioned in his death notice at all:
The Advertiser, Thursday 13 November 1947
DEATHS
BECK.—On November 12, at Magill, Ernest William Beck, of 274 Angas street, beloved brother of Frederick James Beck, brother-in-law of Edith Mabel, uncle of Ron, Ken, Thelma and Stan, and your old pal Mrs. Bush. Aged 60 years.


His brother Fredk James had a death notice placed in the Sydney Morning Herald on 17th July 1981. Might be worth requesting a lookup via the Ryerson Index.

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 3 Jan 2013 05:49

In other words, Violet R KNIGHT is not connected, it was the SA-born Alice Violet who he married...

Her father Frederick Wm PASH d. 1939 in Adelaide aged 68; buried at Mitcham Anglican Cemetery. Likely birth in SA in 1871 to Fredk Jas PASH & Martha WILLIAMS.

The Mail, Saturday 25 February 1939
DEATH
PASH.— On February 25, at Adelaide, Frederick Wiliam, beloved husband of Alice Mary Pash, 24 Charles street, Forestville, leaving three sons and three daughters to mourn their loss. Aged 68 years.

Fredk Wm PASH married Alice Mary NORTHWAY in 1894 in Adelaide. She died in 1963 in Adelaide, aged 89. Chn of Fredk Wm & Alice Mary:
1. Roy Northway PASH 1895, m1. Lily May NUTLAND 1917 Wandsworth UK [divorced 1925], m2. Lala Ethel PARHAM 1926 [divorced 1941], d. 1976
2. Olive Millicent PASH 1896, m. Claude Zacharias WILLIAMS 1919, d. ?
3. Alice Violet PASH 1899, m. Ernest Wm BECK 1919
4. Stanley Richard PASH 1900, m. Dulcie Georgina BROWN 1926 [divorced 1943], ?d. 1992
5. Lilian May PASH 1902, m. Alexander Wm YADAL 1926, d. 13/4/1945 aged 42 [acccident in Melbourne; she was hit by a tram]
6. Rupert Gordon PASH 1909, m. Gweneth Kate WHEATON 1937, d. 17/12/1954 [as driver of a bus that was hit by a train at a level crossing]

Quite some tragedy and drama :-( Makes me wonder if Alice & Ernest also divorced!

WWI enlistments:
PASH Roy Northway : Service Number - 157 : Place of Birth - Adelaide SA : Place of Enlistment - Keswick SA : Next of Kin - (Wife) PASH Lily May E
PASH Stanley Richard : Service Number - 6874 : Place of Birth - Adelaide SA : Place of Enlistment - Adelaide SA : Next of Kin - (Father) PASH Frederick William
WWII enlistments:
PASH STANLEY RICHARD : Service Number - SX12247 : Date of birth - 01 Oct 1900 : Place of birth - ADELAIDE SA : Place of enlistment - WAYVILLE SA : Next of Kin - PASH ALICE [???]
PASH FREDERICK WILLIAM : Service Number - SX34328 : Date of birth - 30 Nov 1926 : Place of birth - ADELAIDE SA : Place of enlistment - WAYVILLE SA : Next of Kin - PASH LALA [son of Roy & Lala]

Fredk Wm's father, Fredk Jas, arrived as a child with his mother:
PASH Mrs Frederick William nee Mary Ann Susannah WHEATLEY (w), son Fdk James arrived 1849-01-17 on Trafalgar (1) from London via Plymouth 1848-10-17
His mother remarried soon after (she died in 1883):
COLLINS Christopher John, Mary Ann Susannah PASH nee WHEATLEY married on 1849-10-03

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 3 Jan 2013 05:48

BUT! I think this may be what happened (after looking at your other thread)...

Ernest came to Australia in 1911:

Name: Ernest W BECK
Date of departure: 15 September 1911
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Adelaide, Australia
Passenger destination: Adelaide, Australia
Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Labourer


Met and married Alice Violet PASH in SA in 1919, then returned to the UK briefly, coming back to SA in 1921 with his wife, niece, brother & sister-in-law:

Name: Mr Ernest William BECK
Date of departure: 21 September 1921
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Adelaide, Australia
Passenger destination: Adelaide, Australia
Date of Birth: 1889 (calculated from age)
Age: 32
Marital status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Confectioner

Mrs Alice Violet BECK age 22
Mrs Edith Mabel BECK age 26
Mr Frederick James BECK age 31
Edith Marjory BECK age 6 months

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 3 Jan 2013 05:43

Then there's this birth in SA:

1899
636/490
PASH Alice Violet
[father] Frederick William PASH
[mother] Alice May NORTHWAY
[district] Adelaide


???

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 3 Jan 2013 05:38

Soemthing funny going on here!

BECK Ernest William b. c1889 M 1921 London [to] Australia Adelaide
BECK Alice Violet b. c1899 F 1921 London [to] Australia Adelaide

This looks like the above couple returning to Australia a couple of years after marriage...ie Alice Violet nee PASH, not Violet R KNIGHT...

In addition there are several BECK births in Strood and Medway after 1921 with mother's maiden name KNIGHT...

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 3 Jan 2013 05:34

I think that the above Ernest Wm BECK (d. 1947 SA) married this lady in SA:

1919
279/183
BECK Ernest William
PASH Alice Violet
Adelaide

The Advertiser, Saturday 31 May 1919
BECK—PASH.—On the 20th April, at St. John's Church, Adelaide, by the Rev. H.
Finnis, Ernest W., second son of the late Joseph Henry Beck, of Surrey, England, to Alice Violet, second daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Pash, of Henley Beach.


Does this fit 'your' Ernest?

Anne

Anne Report 23 Dec 2012 00:24

Ernest W Beck was born in 1884 in Marylebone and Violet was born in 1899 in Kent

Lynski

Lynski Report 22 Dec 2012 23:03

Related thread -

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1315262

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 22 Dec 2012 22:19

??
Name: Ernest William Beck
Death Date: 12 Nov 1947
Death Place: South Australia
Registration Year: 1946-1950
Registration Place: South Australia
Page Number: 5604
Volume Number: 720

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 22 Dec 2012 22:16

It may help to know they had second initials

Name: Violet R Knight
Spouse Surname: Beck
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1920
Registration district: Strood
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 1969
Find Spouse:Ernest W Beck

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 22 Dec 2012 22:12

What year was Ernest born please?

Anne

Anne Report 22 Dec 2012 21:57

I am trying to trace relatives of Violet Knight who married my great uncle Ernest Beck in about 1921. They emigrated to Australia in 1921 and settled in Adelaide. Here the trail goes cold. Can anyone help me in finding their children. Many thanks