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Margaret Jane Franklin

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Susan Report 30 Dec 2012 20:21

I'm trying to follow the ancestor line of my grandmother on my Mum's side, a Margaret Jane Franklin b.@ 1892 in and around London as far as I know.....She married a James Smith in 1914 and then my Mum Mary was born the following year. I don't seem to be able to find her in the census records......any help really appreciated...


Penny Report 30 Dec 2012 21:03

fathers name?


patchem Report 30 Dec 2012 21:11

Have you got the actual marriage certificate of Margaret Franklin?

Margaret Jane Franklin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Nov 1892
Father's Name: William John Franklin
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Caroline Franklin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Pentonville St James
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

Margaret Jane Franklin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Age: 21
Spouse Name: James Albert Smith
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Mar 1914
Parish: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William John Franklin
Spouse Father Name: William Smith
Register Type: Parish Register

Her father is a bricklayer, and Maryann Franklin was a witness. She was living at 7 New North Road.


patchem Report 30 Dec 2012 22:05

This could be the parents' marriage:
William Franklin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Age: 22
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Caroline Burke
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1891
Parish: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William John Franklin
Spouse Father Name: Martin Burke
Register Type: Parish Register

He is a bricklayer, and his Father is a cook and hers is a plasterer.


patchem Report 30 Dec 2012 22:15

1891 England Census
William J Franklin
Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son Father's Name: William J Franklin Mother's Name: Augusta E Franklin
Gender: Male Where born: Hackney, London, England
Civil parish: Clerkenwell Ecclesiastical parish: Pentonville St James County/Island: London Country: England
Occupation: bricklayer
Registration district: Holborn Sub-registration district: Pentonville
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a Piece: 227 Folio: 15 Page Number: 23
William J Franklin 46 Cook and Carver from Cambridge
Augusta E Franklin 42
William J Franklin 21
Walter C Franklin 12
Annie L Franklin 10
Eliza M Franklin 9
Fredk Franklin 5
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 227; Folio: 15; Page: 23; GSU roll: 6095337.


Susan Report 30 Dec 2012 23:52

A really big THANK YOU to everyone that has replied. This has helped a lot...I am jusy going through it now, .......Kind Regards Susan


Susan Report 1 Jan 2013 13:16 still working on this..I have filled my tree in with all the above information but, . I still have a problem with Margaret Jane Franklin...I just can't find her in the census anywhere .?


patchem Report 1 Jan 2013 16:39

I think I had a look and also could not see anything.
Will try again.


patchem Report 1 Jan 2013 17:02

FRANKLIN, William John Father Married 19 years M 41 1870 Bricklayer Hoxton London
FRANKLIN, Mary Wife F 39 1872 6 children born, all living
FRANKLIN, William Son M 13 1898
FRANKLIN, Alice Daughter F 9 1902
FRANKLIN, George Son M 7 1904
FRANKLIN, Arthur Son M 5 1906
FRANKLIN, Martin Son M 2 1909
FRANKLIN, Alfred Son M 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911
RG number: RG14 Piece: 1357 Reference: RG14PN1357 RG78PN47 RD16 SD2 ED12 SN324
Registration District: Shoreditch Sub District: Shoreditch North West Enumeration District: 12 Parish: Shoreditch Address: 143 St Johns Road Hoxton N
County: London


patchem Report 1 Jan 2013 17:17

Even more perplexed.
I looked to see if I could find William, born 1898, (birth place not specified in 1911) with parents William and Mary in 1901.
These parents are the correct age, and he is a bricklayer, but rather too many children - just co-incidence?

1901 England Census
William Flanklin Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Flinklin Mother's Name: Mary Flinklin
Gender: Male Where born: St Luke
Civil parish: Newington Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Trinity, Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 257 Piece: 372 Folio: 85 Page Number: 39
William Flinklin 31 St Luke Bricklayer
Mary Flinklin 29 St Luke
Qusey Flinklin 6 St Luke
Jane Flanklin 8
Betty Flanklin 5
William Flanklin 3
Mary Flanklin 1
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 372; Folio: 85; Page: 39.

William Martin Franklin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Jan 1898
Father's Name: William John Franklin Bricklayer
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Franklin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Finsbury St Luke
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers


Susan Report 1 Jan 2013 17:27

Thanks again..yes its a puzzle, I first thought that maybe Margaret Jane Franklin was written down as Jane Franklin, but then its the wrong parents......I suppose all persons must be on the census somewhere...but she is definitely not down......a bit more digging during the week and see where I can get with it.....Regards Susan


Susan Report 2 Jan 2013 08:13

Hi..having been searching around for information on why she not coming up on the 2 census returns. I first tried different spellings but got nothing. I found a couple of suggestions that were interesting. Margaret may heve been in hospital at the time, but ruled that out because she wasn't in 2 of the census. She may have been brought up with grandparents who didn't put her on the forms ....or possibly placed in an orphanage due to the fact the family may have been too poor to keep her at that of the above may be why we could not find her....thanks for your help ...Susan


Susan Report 7 Jan 2013 16:21

Right, been spending hours on this. I think Ihave now solved the above. I went into the 1891 and 1881 census, and feel that there were a few mistakes either due to the family misprinting wrong dates etc or misreading the names when the record was printed. So foloowing is what I've come up.So hope this makes sense :- William James Franklin b.1845 head...Augusta Eliza Shepherd wife married @ 1863....
Margaret b.1864
William j b.1870
Arthur b. 1873
Harriett b. 1876
Walter b. 1878
Ann b. 1881
eliza b. 1882
Fred b. 1886

Also the maryann franklin that was witness at wedding to Margaret Jane Franklin might well be the maryann b. 1894 with a dad Alfred Franklin b. @1858 which think was in Pancras, london. My thinking on that is Alfred may have been a disatnt relative of the same Franklins....but if they made mistakes on the census that could be why there is no record of Margaret Jane Franklin on the census too. hope that all makes sense......Susan


patchem Report 7 Jan 2013 18:21

Just posting the 1881 to agree with what you have found:
William J. Franklin Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Augusta Franklin
Gender: Male Where born: Ashbridge
Civil parish: St Leonard County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 14 Loanda St Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Man Cook
Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Piece: 405 Folio: 37 Page Number: 13
William J. Franklin 36
Augusta Franklin 35
William J. Franklin 17 NO, this is 12
Margaret Franklin 11
Arthur Franklin 8
Harriett Franklin 5
Walter Franklin 3
Annie Franklin
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 405; Folio: 37; Page: 13; GSU roll: 1341088.
So the only age that is out is Augusta's.

Still not happy that Margaret Jane is not showing on any census with correct parents.


Susan Report 7 Jan 2013 22:01

Agree with you..not happy Margaret Jane not showing up in census....will work some more on it.....thanks so much for your help, susan