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Gregory Report 24 Jan 2013 15:57

trying to find relatives of Thomas henry spicer 1875-1947 church army officer interested to know about his daughter Lilian Medland Spicer born 1902 Swansea
who also worked for church army.

Thank you



brummiejan Report 24 Jan 2013 17:19

Well, this is the family 1911 as you probably know.

1911 Wales Census
Name: Thomas Henry Spicer
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 12 Rutland St Swansea
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 12
Estimated Marriage Year: 1899
Occupation: Church Army Officer
Registration district: Swansea
Registration District Number: 594
Sub-registration district: Swansea

Thomas Henry Spicer 36
Catherine Mortley Spicer 38
Violet Mary Spicer 10
Lilian Medland Spicer 9

Have you checked ''search all trees' to see if anyone has matches? (In search box above).

And have you looked on Freebmd for a possible marriage for Lilian?



brummiejan Report 24 Jan 2013 17:20

Name: Lilian Medland Thomas
Birth Date: 25 Mar 1902
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1972
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Torbay
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 7a
Page: 2642

Mike *

Mike * Report 24 Jan 2013 23:22

Not seeing a marriage to Thomas

A tree on Anst has her death unmarried ( which may or may not be correct)

Lillian Medland Spicer
B:25 march 1902 in Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
D:Dec 1961 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England

Thomas Henry Spicer 1875-1947
Catherine Mortley Rosser 1873-1929

Lilian M Spicer
Birth Date: abt 1901
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1961
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Rowley Regis
Inferred County: Staffordshire


brummiejan Report 25 Jan 2013 09:59

That's interesting isn't it Mike. Got me wondering now. I was confident in the death, as how many Lilian Medlands born 1902 can there be ... ?!


Flip Report 26 Jan 2013 10:51

The mothers probate:

Catherine Mortley Spicer
Probate Date: 1 Aug 1929
Death Date: 25 Jun 1929
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London, England

Died at Ashington Rd, Ashington Essex, wife of Thomas Henry Spicer, church army officer. Address 187 St Marylebone Road, effects £537 7s 4d.

She is at that address on the London ER with husband and daughter Lillian Medland Spicer in 1929. Lillian and Thomas are still at same address in 1932, but then I loose them.


Flip Report 26 Jan 2013 11:12

This is the probate record relating to Thomas's death shown on the Ancestry tree:

Thomas Henry Spicer <<of St Raphael, Maidenhall
Probate Date: 21 Sep 1948
Death Date: 29 Dec 1947
Death Place: Gloucestershire, England
Registry: Gloucestershire, England

Probate to his widow Florence Violet Alexander Spicer - £2034 9s 7d

So either there is something wrong with the Ancestry info, or he remarried.


brummiejan Report 26 Jan 2013 13:22


Name: Florence Violet A Spicer
Birth Date: 11 Aug 1902
Date of Registration: May 1984
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Swansea
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 27
Page: 2377


brummiejan Report 26 Jan 2013 13:27

This is the Lilian Spicer death from the Ancestry tree which Mike found. Impossible to say whether they know this to be right or have just looked for a death and found one which fits - as I did!

Name: Lilian M Spicer
Birth Date: abt 1901
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1961
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Rowley Regis
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 344


jax Report 26 Jan 2013 13:46

Births Sep 1902 (>99%)

Llewellyn Florence Violet A Swansea 11a 1149

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Florence A Llewellyn
Name: Florence A Llewellyn
Spouse Surname: Spicer
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1933
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 62
Find Spouse: Thomas H Spicer


Flip Report 26 Jan 2013 13:48

I think it's wrong Jan - this is probably her probate record:

Lilian May Spicer
Probate Date: 16 Jan 1962
Death Date: 9 Nov 1961
Death Place: Staffordshire, England
Registry: Birmingham, England

Probate was granted to her husband George Henry Spicer! She died Sedgeley, Staffs, lived at Wednesfield Staffs.


brummiejan Report 26 Jan 2013 14:03

Well found Flip.
I really do think the Lilian Medland Thomas death is likely to be right. It's possible she married twice as I too never found her marriage to a Thomas.
The only way to be sure would be to either get the birth cert (to check birth date) or the death cert and see what it says.


Flip Report 26 Jan 2013 14:10

Well, the birth matches - her's was reg in Q2, so within the time limits. I wondered about 2 marriages, there is this birth in London in 1933:

Marriages Mar 1933 (>99%)

Spicer Lilian M Wilson London C. 1c 23
Wilson Alfred B Spicer London C. 1c 23

The 1932 ER has her still single and in St Marylebone, so in the general area?


Flip Report 26 Jan 2013 14:12

And this marriage June 1955

THOMAS Alfred E WILSON Bedwellty 8c 180
WILSON Lillian M THOMAS Bedwellty 8c 180

But without some certificates it's all guesswork!


Flip Report 26 Jan 2013 15:08

Scrub that 2nd marriage, the first husband hadn't died:

Alfred Bartley Wilson << of 57 Pirton Lane, Churchdown, Gloucestershire
Probate Date: 12 Jun 1956
Death Date: 29 Apr 1956
Death Place: Gloucestershire, England
Registry: Gloucestershire, England

Probate to Lilian Medland Wilson, widow - £152 9s 3d


Flip Report 26 Jan 2013 15:14

This one fits:

Lilian M Wilson
Spouse Surname: Thomas
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1961
Registration district: Gloucester Rural
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 960
Find Spouse: Find Spouse >>Leslie J Thomas

Looks like you were right from the start Jan!! ;-)