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Ireland living relatives

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Wayne

Wayne Report 27 Jan 2013 00:16

Trying to locate any living relatives of the Ireland family in
Market Deeping area.
Zachariah IRELAND b 1742 son
Curtis b 1767 son
William b 1820 son
Charles Frederick b 1855 son (or the London area)
Charles David b 1888 in Bethnal Green
Many thanks
Wayne

jax

jax Report 27 Jan 2013 00:34

Hi Wayne welcome to the boards

Have you tried looking for any in the trees on this site?

Wayne

Wayne Report 27 Jan 2013 03:30

G'day Jax
Sorry, did not expect a reply so quickly.
Yes but with no success, I've been able to contact living relatives of my other 3 grandparents but not my direct line.
Wayne

Reggie

Reggie Report 28 Jan 2013 11:56

1891 England Census

Name: Charles D Ireland
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Agnes Ireland
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England
Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 204
Folio: 46
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Ireland 38
Rebecca Ireland 17
William C Ireland 15
Sarah D Ireland 14
Marian L Ireland 12
David Ireland 11
Hyain H Ireland 9****Hyam Harold (as per his birth)
Rosina V Ireland 7
Margaret I Ireland 6
Charles D Ireland 3
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1901 England Census about Agnes Ireland
Name: Agnes Ireland
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St John Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 166
Piece: 229
Folio: 77
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Ireland 47
William Ireland 35************25 on image
Lilian Ireland 22
Violet Ireland 19
Fanny Ireland 16
Charles Ireland 13

Reggie

Reggie Report 28 Jan 2013 12:08

1911 England Census
Name: William Charles Ireland
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stoke Newington, London, England
Civil parish: Low Leyton
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 56 Clementina Road, Leyton E, Essex
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Chief Corresponder Clerk
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: North Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 92
Piece: 9655
Household Members:
Name Age
William Charles Ireland 35
Elsie Ireland 23
Marjorie Augnes Ireland 5/12
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England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Name: Marjorie Agnes Blackmore
Birth Date: 13 Oct 1910
Date of Registration: Jan 1999
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Thurrock
Inferred County: Essex
Register Number: A32A
District and Subdistrict: 4771
Entry number: 69

Wayne

Wayne Report 30 Jan 2013 04:45

Thanks for those Reggie
I have the 1891 census for Charles D Ireland & the 1901 for Agnes.
Also the 1911 for William C Ireland & the death cert of Marjorie.
Its the tracing of William C & any children born after 1911 that I cannot do.
The other 2 brothers of William C ( David & Hyam) came to Aust just before my GF, so I have them accounted for.
There was a William C Ireland died 1930 in Essex - could be him but how to find if he had any decendants?
Also unaccounted for is William Montague Ireland son of William Curtis Ireland who was 21 in the 1911 census I cannot trace him past that point.
The purpose I put this on the board was to may-be jog someone memory or maybe point me in another direction.
I have just sent a letter to an "Ireland" in Market Deeping (the only one) so maybe something will come of that.
Maybe I have to start and sent letters to those in the Middlesex area, but there's quite a few so I was a bit hesitant.
Wayne

jax

jax Report 30 Jan 2013 05:12

Marriages Jun 1910 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ireland William Charles W Ham 4a 472
MOY Elsie W.Ham 4a 472

I looked on freebmd and could not see any other children

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

jax

jax Report 30 Jan 2013 05:21

Marriages Jun 1939 (>99%)
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Blackmore Alfred H Ireland Essex S.W. 4a 885
Ireland Marjorie A Blackmore Essex S.W. 4a 885

3 children born in yorkshire?? but the war was on so maybe they moved up there?


Wayne

Wayne Report 30 Jan 2013 05:50

Thanks Jax
You could be right maybe they did move north, I'll have to look at that area a bit closer
Wayne

Reggie

Reggie Report 31 Jan 2013 23:33

Deaths Dec 1930 (>99%)
Ireland William C 54 W.Ham 4a 159

The above would fit with 1911 census with regard to age.

Not sure why you query descendants for him........he was married with a child in 1911.

And I posted the death of his daughter...............

jax posted her marriage.......which you could have found yourself on freebmd

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

Reggie

Reggie Report 31 Jan 2013 23:35

To look for children AFTER 1911, look on freebmd............first for his marriage....then using the info from that, look for the children

It is a very easy site to use

EDIT


I see jax has already done all that for you...........

Reggie

Reggie Report 31 Jan 2013 23:38

Why have you got the idea of a connection with Market Deeping?

Nothing posted on here suggests any recent connection with the place

Reggie

Reggie Report 31 Jan 2013 23:41

In your attempt to trace William Montague Ireland, where have you looked?

He is on the London ER's from 1920 to 1938. From 1927 to 1938 he was living in the same residence as a May Lilian Ireland

??????????????

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Name: William M Ireland
Birth Date: abt 1889
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1964
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: St Albans
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 4b
Page: 211

Wayne

Wayne Report 1 Feb 2013 05:36

Reggie
Descendants for William C ? - well in 1911 he had 1 child 5 mths old so after that he very well could have had more children, how do you find those by only knowing the names of the parents? I've never had any luck with FreeBMD in the past so have stopped looking at it because there is no way to check if you have the correct person or not, is there?
The connection to Market Deeping is that Charles F & William Curtis were born in Peterborough & their father & a further 4 generations before him were all born in Market Deeping (I mentioned MD in my original post)
I know that William M married a May L Chapman in 1915 but how does that tell me what children they had?
What is "London ER's"?
FreeBMD has a William Ireland death in 1964 in Runcorn plus another 7before that & at least 2 after all with birth dates about correct, they should also give the birth location & then you would have a chance, there isn't one for a 75 year old in Hertfordshire or St Albans?
The one you quote above, eventhough the birth date is good doesn't confirm that it is him, I guess one has to take the punt & get it to find out, gets expensive, again a birth location on the death index would mainly settle the matter.
Thanks for your time & suggestions, at least it is making me think about it again & in a different way.
Wayne

jax

jax Report 1 Feb 2013 06:21

The London ER's( Electoral roll) are on ancestry If William and may were living in London, the chances are they had one child born Islington 1917 (who married in 1938) and another in Barnet in 1928 who is also on the ER with them in 1950 & 1952

There are only two william M Ireland's born around that time the other one died shortly after birth in Yorkshire.....St Albans is not far from London so I would also say that was him...this is possibly his wife, as Watford is very near

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
about May L Ireland
Name: May L Ireland
Birth Date: abt 1891
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1967
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Watford
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 4b
Page: 348

But no you cannot tell if it is correct without purchasing the death cert and hopefully a reletive registered it

The child born 1928 was Maurice G and he went to Canada in 1954

The child born 1917 was Dora G married Herbert Wise she went to South Africa in 1948 and returned in 1955 to the same address that her parents were living...she remarried in 1964 in watford this is her death (date of birth given on passenger listing)

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
about Dora Grace Wilson
Name: Dora Grace Wilson
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1917
Date of Registration: Oct 2000
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Register Number: B64A
District and Subdistrict: 5001B
Entry number: 212

She had 3 children christine and Stephen born in the uk and Richard born whilst in SA...Stephen was not on the passenger listing with them, but there is a death in 1971 in York which matches his year of birth??

Reggie

Reggie Report 1 Feb 2013 09:55

London ER's .............Electoral Registers!

And freebmd doesn't have ALL info..............the more recent records are on sites for which one has to pay (the source of the death I posted)

To find births after 1911 just enter BOTH surnames..............

BUT, jax did all that for you, and there was no other child of the marriage

And , to enlighten you a little about the British system.............until 1969, death certs did not carry birthplace details, or exact DOB's.

From 1969, that info is included on certs, but the index does not carry birthplace info. In any case, all such info is only 'as known' to the informant, and can easily be wrong.

Wayne

Wayne Report 3 Feb 2013 04:49

Thank you both for your time, suggestions & the extra information on this.
I've taken the punt & have ordered the death certificates for William M & Charles F, see what those bring.
Wayne