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Campbell/Crowley/o'hara Liverpool

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Debra

Debra Report 29 Jan 2013 22:35

Looking for any information on above families ,pre 1940 as we know that Campbell's were killed in a house fire in Laxey street.

Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Jan 2013 23:00

If you are related to these people, you must have more info.

How much research have you done yourself?

Debra

Debra Report 30 Jan 2013 20:50

Reggae. I am related to these people Campbell's are my great grandparents , they died along with my great aunt Anne who was 15 ,my great uncle Patrick who was 11, also a policeman Thomas Arthur benn, also that year my grandfather Joseph Campbell died at the evacuation of Crete ,I now live in Scotland and don't get home very often,I have the transcripts of the coroner verdict, but after the fire and other incidents the family fell apart and the one sister whom survived was Marion and my mum used to call her Rhia for some reason she's not sure why ,she said that Marion was burnt Badly, there was also a Michael welsh who lived in dingle at the time who was my great grandmothers Anne 's brother that is the only info I have

Reggie

Reggie Report 30 Jan 2013 22:27

So have you used freebmd to look for info..............?

And what - exactly - do you wish to know?

You say 'before 1940'.....................and don't give any clues as to how the other surnames are connected.

You must help us to help you................but firstly, try to find info yourself. Much more rewarding that way.............

Deaths Jun 1941 (>99%)
Campbell Anne 15 Liverpool S. 8b 96
Campbell Anne 47 Liverpool S. 8b 96
Campbell James 47 Liverpool S. 8b 96
Campbell Patrick 11 Liverpool S. 8b 97

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jan 2013 23:08

Is this the marriage of James and Anne please?

Marriages Dec 1914
Campbell James Welsh Toxteth P. 8b 366
Welsh Annie Campbell Toxteth P. 8b 366


Are you looking for their ancestors or descendants please?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jan 2013 23:22

I don't see a birth for a Joseph?

These may be the some of other children of that marriage.

(Could Maria be Marion / Rhia)

Births Jun 1915 Campbell James Welsh Toxteth P. 8b 223

Births Jun 1921 Campbell Elizabeth L Welsh W.Derby 8b 994

Births Sep 1922 Campbell Mary Welsh W.Derby 8b 868

Births Sep 1923 Campbell Maria Welsh Liverpool 8b 264

Births Sep 1925 Campbell Marguerite Welsh Newcastle T. 10b 148

Births Mar 1926 Campbell Annie Welsh Liverpool 8b 298

Births Sep 1926 Campbell Joyce A Welsh Liverpool 8b 469

Births Dec 1928 Campbell Winifred Welsh Liverpool 8b 226

Births Jun 1929 Campbell Thomas E Welsh Liverpool 8b 396

Births Dec 1930 Campbell Patrick Welsh Liverpool 8b 246

Births Mar 1932 Campbell Susannah Welsh Liverpool 8b 407

Births Jun 1934
Campbell Charlene Welsh Liverpool 8b 357
Campbell Mary Welsh Liverpool 8b 357


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jan 2013 23:29

1901

Name: Annie Welsh
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah Welsh
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 166
Piece: 3427
Folio: 82
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Welsh 32 Widow, Housekeeper
Michael Welsh 12<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Thomas Welsh 10
Sarah Welsh 8
Annie Welsh 6 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
James Welsh 3
Winifred Welsh 2
Patrick Welsh 3 Months
Ann Schofield 17

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jan 2013 23:34

Sarah's not down as a widow in 1911, so looks like enumerator was mistaken in 1901.

1911

Name: Annie Welsh
Age in 1911: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Prince William Street Lpool
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: At Home
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Registration District Number: 454
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 22217
Household Members:
Name Age
James Welsh 54, Dock Labourer
Sarah Welsh 42
Sarah Welsh 18
Annie Welsh 16
James Welsh 13
Winefried Welsh 12
Patrick Welsh 10
Frances Welsh 8
Daniel Welsh 6
Charles Welsh 3
John Welsh 1


Married 26 years, 14 children born, 11 living and 3 had died.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jan 2013 23:37

1891

Name: Sarah Welsh
[Sarah Barrow]
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Spouse's Name: James Welsh
Mother's Name: Sarah Barrow
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2925
Folio: 26
Page Number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Barrow 56
Thomas Barrow 19
Sarah Welsh 22
James Welsh 28
Michael Welsh 2
Thomas Welsh 1/12



So where do the names Crowley and O'hara come into it please?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jan 2013 23:48

????

1911

Name: James Campbell
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 213 Beaufort Street Lpool
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Ships Boiler Cleaner
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Registration District Number: 454
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 22221
Household Members:
Name Age
Brigget Campbell 39 Widow, married 18 years, 8 children born, 5 living, 3 had died
James Campbell 17
Marie Campbell 9
Joseph Campbell 7
Alice Campbell 5
Michael Campbell 2

1901?

Name: James Campbell
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph Campbell
Mother's Name: Bridget Campbell
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 143
Piece: 3427
Folio: 101
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Campbell 30
Bridget Campbell 29
James Campbell 8
Frances Campbell 4
Mary Ellen Campbell 2


????

Marriages Sep 1893
Campbell Joseph Toxteth Park 8b 469 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Coolican Bridget Toxteth Park 8b 469 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Linford Annie Maria Toxteth Park 8b 469
Titley John Henry Toxteth Park 8b 469

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 31 Jan 2013 00:05

CAMPBELL, JOSEPH

Rank:
Fireman and Trimmer
Date of Death:
21/05/1941
Age:
23
Regiment/Service:
Merchant Navy

S.S. Logician (Liverpool)
Panel Reference
Panel 65.
Memorial
TOWER HILL MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of James and Annie Campbell; husband of Irene Campbell, of Liverpool.



Births Jun 1918 Campbell Joseph Welch Toxteth P. 8b 196

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 31 Jan 2013 00:11

So it's COWLEY not Crowley?

Marriages Sep 1938
Campbell Joseph Cowley Liverpool S. 8b 620
Cowley Irene Campbell Liverpool S. 8b 620

Debra

Debra Report 2 Feb 2013 01:47

The Joseph Campbell fireman was my grand farther my mum was 2 when he was killed at the evacuation of Crete, he married my nan Irene Crowley, her mother Catherine Stanford died when a bomb hit there house in Sydney place ,her mother my great gt grandmother was honor/ Annie Ohara she came over from Ireland and died 1950 ish at the age of 96 and she was in the care of the over bury nuns not sure we're the convent was in Liverpool, my grandfather Joseph who died in the war it is parents James and Annie that I can find no trace of,also his younger sisters Annie who died Marion survived and his young brother Patrick also died at the house fire, thank you so much for your help.

Reggie

Reggie Report 2 Feb 2013 10:30

There is no evidence to suggest that there was a child named Marion. There was, however, a MARIA.

And, as the marriage info shows, Irene's surname was COWLEY

Please use freebmd to find info yourself about these people. it is a very easy site to use.

The 1941 death registrations are posted above -

Probable census info for both James and Annie is also posted above............please confirm that you have read it.

Reggie

Reggie Report 2 Feb 2013 10:42

There is no record on CWGC of a death for Catherine Stanford - if she had been a War casualty, her name should be on the site

EDIT

COWLEY, CATHERINE

Rank:
Civilian
Date of Death:
12/11/1940
Age:
53
Regiment/Service:
Civilian War Dead

Reporting Authority
LIVERPOOL, COUNTY BOROUGH
Additional Information:
of 35 Sidney Place. Widow of William Patrick Cowley. Died at 35 Sidney Place.

Reggie

Reggie Report 2 Feb 2013 10:48

Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Cowley Irene Sandford W.Derby 8b 1080

Reggie

Reggie Report 2 Feb 2013 10:52

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1904

COWLEY William SANDFORD Catherine West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/213/136

1911 census


Person: COWLEY, William Address: 17 Bancroft St Liverpool

COWLEY, William Head Married M 25 1886 Sewer Man Lancs Liverpool VIEW
COWLEY, Catherine Wife Married7 years F 23 1888 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
COWLEY, Mary Ann Daughter F 6 1905 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
COWLEY, William Henry Son M 4 1907 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
COWLEY, Christoper Son M 2 1909 Lancs Liverpool VIEW RG number: RG14
Piece: 22598
Reference: RG14PN22598 RG78PN1326 RD455 SD9 ED46 SN126
Registration District: West Derby
Sub District: West Derby Western
Enumeration District: 46
Parish: West Derby

Debra

Debra Report 3 Feb 2013 20:44

hi reggie, i know that irene was a cowley as she was my grandmother ,i also know all about her family uptil my greatgreat grabdmother annie ohahr who is buired in a paupers grave in yew tree cemetery, the inquest on the campbells for which i have the papers shows her statement and its is marion campbell she was a rag sorter this si the sister i believe survived and she was burnt what happened to her i cant find out. i have as you put it done my home work but for some reason the trails just falls off living up in scotland i find it hard to get any more info once again thank you for all your help

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 3 Feb 2013 21:55

Debra...Have found this wee boy killed at same address as your g.mother...wonder who he belonged to....?

BERNARD MORGAN
died 12/11/1940,aged 8
. Son of Bernard Morgan. Died at 35 Sidney Place.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 3 Feb 2013 22:08

Debra have sent a PM re Bernard.


Norah Cowley Birth Reg Toxteth Park March 1912....(Mother of Bernard above)

There are also a number of other Cowley Births Reg.West Derby from 1914 (mmn Sandford.)