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BARLEY, BEECH, COLETTA

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Gillian

Gillian Report 4 Feb 2013 23:20

Searching for descendants of:

RAY BARLEY, b 1934 Edmonton,
DORIS B BARLEY b 1928 m FRDK BEECH in 1950 or
JEAN K BARLEY b 1932 m PETER COLETTA in 1958

RAY, DORIS and JEAN are children of ELSIE YOUNG and FRDK BARLEY m. 1928
and they are my half cousins.

Thank you.

Reggie

Reggie Report 4 Feb 2013 23:23

Start with 'search all trees'

Look for them on www.192.com............

Reggie

Reggie Report 4 Feb 2013 23:28

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Frederick M Barley
Spouse Surname: Young
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1928
Registration district: Guildford
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 201
Find Spouse: Elsie M Young

Reggie

Reggie Report 4 Feb 2013 23:36

On 1958 ER.........

Doris
Jean K,
Ray
Robert A

All residing at 109 Harringay Road, Tottenham

Reggie

Reggie Report 4 Feb 2013 23:46

Marriages Jun 1927 (>99%)

Barley Robert A Young Edmonton 3a 1337
YOUNG Doris Barley Edmonton 3a 1337

Are you 100% sure of the relationships you have quoted?

Factual evidence suggests that you've attached the children to the wrong parents.............in which case, they may not be related to you in the way you think

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 10:05

Ancestry records one possible child for Coletta/Barley

And one (possibly two) for Beech/Barley

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 10:13

Ray and parents still at the Tottenham address on 1960 ER

He appears to have married in that year - but the GRO index records his spouse's first name as JOHN.........!!!!!

No apparent offspring

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 10:15


Name: Doris Barley
Birth Date: 2 Nov 1905
Date of Registration: Jun 1984
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Enfield
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 12
Page: 390
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Name: Robert Alfred Barley
Birth Date: 22 Jul 1905
Date of Registration: Jan 1984
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Enfield
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 12
Page: 299
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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Robert Alfred Barley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 3 Sep 1905
Father's Name: Robert Alfred Barley
Mother's Name: Nellie Barley
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers
-------------------------------------------------

1911 England Census
Name: Robert Alfred Barley
Age in 1911: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1906
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Islington
Civil parish: Wood Green
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: No 12 Acacia Road, Wood Green
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: Wood Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 193
Piece: 7250
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Alfred Barley 30
Nelly Barley 29
Ellen Emma Barley 8
Robert Alfred Barley 5
Florence Louisa Barley 1

Gillian

Gillian Report 5 Feb 2013 11:00

Wow, thanks for all that! Taking your posts in order,.....I have done an all trees search and looked on 192.com but had missed the ER for 1958, so that's interesting.
Re the marriage of Robert A Barley to Doris Young in 1927, Frdk Barley only married Elsie Young in 1928 and then had their Doris the same year, followed by Jean in 1932 and Ray in 1934.
Yes, I'd also found that Ray seems to marry John! I sent for the marriage certificate using 5d 56 but have had a very unhelpful reply saying that it cannot be provided because "The information stated on the application does not match the entry identified."!
I had found the Doris Barley death in 1984 but the birth in 1905 is wrong. Frdk and Elsie's Doris was born 1928.
The census info on Robert A Barley is interesting and I'm sure he fits in somewhere, but not as a brother to Frederick (born 1901) as his father was Percy, a certainty.
Thank you SO much for your time and trouble. Will keep mulling over all of this!

Gillian

Gillian Report 5 Feb 2013 11:03

Could I ask you a little more about the Ancestry records for births from Coletta/Barley and Beech/Barley? How can I access these, is it Ancestry.com.
Thank you.

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 11:26

The births are on Ancestry.co.uk......

I'm sorry, but ALL the facts show that the children belong to ROBERT and DORIS.......I don't think you have purchased birth certs - or have you?

Why would the children be living with people other than their parents?

The 1984 death is for the MOTHER of these 'children'

The person born in 1928 was NOT named BARLEY when/if she died

When you re-apply for the marriage cert.........use only ONE person's name....



Gillian

Gillian Report 5 Feb 2013 12:05

Poss that Robert Alfred Barley senior (30 in 1911, therefore born 1881) could be brother of Percy Barley born 1877, so will check out census. However, beginning to doubt Genes Reunited census records as they have no trace of the Robert Alfred Barley household in the 1911 census that you just sent me!?! in your experience, are some family history search sites more comprehensive in their coverage of searchable data than others?
ThNk you for your time.

Gillian

Gillian Report 5 Feb 2013 12:10

Sent above before reading your last post, sorry!

Gillian

Gillian Report 5 Feb 2013 13:52

So, it would seem that two Barleys married two Young's within a year of each other, both registered in Edmonton! The Barleys weren't brothers, maybe the Youngs were sisters, but all enough of a coincidence to confuse me. What search did you carry out to find the Richard and Doris marriage and what made you look at those names, can I ask? And I don't quote understand the part about 'the person who died in 1928 was not named Barley when/if she died'. Could you perhaps expand there please?
Thank you v much.

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 14:00

NO......you're wrong

The 1928 marriage was NOT in Edmonton..........it's posted above, and I would have thought you would have researched it anyway

Doris married BEECH......you said so yourself!

And you mis-read what I wrote! Which was.............

'The person born in 1928 was NOT named BARLEY when/if she died'

To locate the Edmonton marriage, I merely used a bit of logic ...........researched the names on the ER

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 14:01

I never use GR for research, so am unable to comment on the usefulness of what they offer.

Everything they have is taken from other sources, anyway...........

Gillian

Gillian Report 5 Feb 2013 15:25

Oh yes, of course, I see I have been confused in this exchange. I do have the 1928 marriage as taking place in Guildford. And sorry meant to type born in 1928' not died in 1928' I knew she was Beech, so shouldn't have referred to her as Barley. Please forgive my amateurisms!
Would you possibly share the search sites that you use and for what? Form start there is no electoral roll on GR, so I should perhaps be using something else.

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 16:40

Ancestry is the source of all the info I posted which wasn't on freebmd

If Frederick was your relative.............he doesn't appear to have produced any legitimate children

Is THIS him?

1911 census


Person: BARLEY, Percy Address: Roberts Villa Rusper Road West Green Tottenham N
Cost


BARLEY, Percy Head Married M 33 1878 Commercial Traveller London Islington VIEW
BARLEY, Rose Purnell Wife Married11 years F 30 1881 London Bow VIEW
BARLEY, Frederick Horatio Murray Son M 9 1902 London Holloway VIEW
BARLEY, Francis Charles Son M 6 1905 School London Hornsey VIEW
BARLEY, Ena Rose Daughter F 5 1906 School London Hornsey VIEW
BARLEY, Letitia Mary Daughter F 2 1909 London Hornsey

If it is............you've got entirely the wrong marriage for him

Marriages Dec 1920 (>99%)
Barley Frederick H M Warren Holborn 1b 1350
Warren Rosa Barley Holborn 1b 135

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 16:40

It might be prudent to delete all the info you've posted about the living people who are not related to you, and start again doing research on the correct names

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 16:42

Name: Frederick H M Barley
Birth Date: abt 1901
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1938
Age at Death: 37
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 14