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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 6 Feb 2013 11:40

PM from PaddyL -she's going to send for the DC. :-)


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 6 Feb 2013 10:24

It might do. My parents died 2002 and 2006. In both cases, their spouses where named, along with my mother's maiden name. Not sure when that info started to be included.

If nothing else, a relative is frequently the informant and gives their own address. That's why we've suggested you purchase it. @£9.25 inc p&p.

Of course, the information given is only as good as the informant's knowledge.

There is a copy of a 2000 DC here


PaddyL Report 6 Feb 2013 04:38

Hi Reggie

Tirzah is dead, she died in Ndola round about 1989, I have tried to find info from Ndola, but the problems there at the moment do not help, I also found out that she was living at the B.O.A.R.S, not sure what that is, so there is no death cirtificate.

I am going to get my fathers death certificate. Will it tell me who he was married to???

Thank you for all your trouble it is so very much appreciated.

Kind regards Paddy


Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 13:55

I wish you'd told us that she was adopted......would have saved a lot of time!

As Tirzah was adopted, only she can access the files to find info about herself.

If you really want to try to find out about your his death cert


PaddyL Report 5 Feb 2013 12:55

OK - Clarence Barwick is Tirzah's brother, I believe there were 4 adopted brothers, Montague, Hecter, Jack & Clarence, Tirzah, my mother was also adopted and named for the Tirzah Isobella who died as a baby. I do have a marrigde cirt for My Mother & Farther + a photo of the Church they were married in, in Gilsland. The Barwick side of the family are also very head in the sand like the Jones' but would seem to be a bit worse, The Barwick cousins had a brick business which I believe has closed down in Gilsland. I have no more information. My Mother was in the WRAF No 433884 ACW, Barwick - She was adopted from South Shields so she could have been Irish.


Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 12:22

1901 England Census
Name: Robert S Barwick
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Barwick
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil parish: Allendale
Ecclesiastical parish: Allendale St Cuthbert
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Allendale
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Piece: 4825
Folio: 83
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert S Barwick 30
Jane Barwick 29
Emily Barwick 8
Hilda Barwick 6
William H Barwick 1
Margaret S Mullen 16

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Jane Barwick
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1906
Age at Death: 36
Registration district: Hexham
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 239


Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)
Barwick Robert Storey Newcastle T. 10b 246
Mullen Jane Newcastle T. 10b 246


Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 12:18

1911 census

Person: BARWICK, Isabella Address: Hollybush Allendale Northumberland

BARWICK, Robert Storey Head Married M 40 1871 Farmer Retired Durham Sunderland VIEW
BARWICK, Isabella Wife Married F 28 1883 Nthumbnd Carrowbrough VIEW
BARWICK, Emily Daughter Single F 18 1893 Durham Sunderland VIEW
BARWICK, Hilda Daughter Single F 16 1895 Nthlnd Allendale VIEW
BARWICK, William Henry Son M 11 1900 School Nthlnd Allendale VIEW
BARWICK, Jenny Daughter F 9 1902 Nthlnd Allendale VIEW
BARWICK, John Son M 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Nthlnd Allendale VIEW
DODD, Annie Boarder Single F 65 1846 Nthlnd Simonburn


Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 12:17

Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Barwick Clarence T Dodd Hexham 10b 852


Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 12:16


Marriages Mar 1909 (>99%)
BARWICK Robert Storey Hexham 10b 437
DODD Isabella Hexham 10b 437


Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 12:10


England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005
Name: Tirzah I Barwick
Mother's Maiden Surname: Dodd
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1922
Registration district: Wigton
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 1196

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Name: Tirzah I Barwick
Birth Date: abt 1922
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1924
Age at Death: 2
Registration district: Wigton
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 666

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Tirzah I Barwick
Spouse Surname: Jones
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1945
Registration district: Border
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 1345
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

No other birth record for the name, and no other births for Barwick/Dodd in Wigton district, or, indeed, anywhere in Cumberland


Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 12:01

Have you thought of buying the death cert for the informant's details? I gather you don't have it, or you would presumably have said so

Overseas BMD's for British subjects are on FMP (Find My Past)

And please remember that 'one post per topic' is stated in the site guidelines


PaddyL Report 5 Feb 2013 11:50

Hi There, I am the Carol (My nick name is Paddy) the Daughter of Tirzah & Albert, I was adopted in Rhodesia when I was 6 months old, my mother (Tirzah) having taken me to Rhodesia just a month or so after I was born to join my father who was stationed in the RAF in Bulawayo, they were divorced in 1948 or there about's and my Father must have married Rose some time after that, I was renamed when I was adopted (Patricia Hilary Davies), My Dad & His wife had a son or daughter in Rhodesia, they apparently were farming there and returned to Bristol sometime around the 1980's, my father died 1999 - There was nothing that I could find at all about my fathers 2nd wife and child.

The information for my fathers death that you had (below) is correct

Name: Albert Ellis Jones
Birth Date: 18 Oct 1922
Date of Registration: Jan 2000
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Reading
Inferred County: Berkshire
Register Number: B4B
District and Subdistrict: 3201B
Entry number: 59

I have been trying to find both My mom and dad for the last 30 years with no success, just a lot of information that leads me nowhere.

Kind regards

Paddy (Carol)


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 5 Feb 2013 11:09

Have you used the 'Search all Trees' function?

Are you in contact with Carol who has an Albert Ellis Jones b Dublin 1924 on her tree? Although the yob is different, the Albert might be the same one as your father.


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 5 Feb 2013 10:31

Linked thread - it might have been better to stick to the one and up date the title at the same time as removing the 'tick'.

Relevant part of the opening post

Hi - I am looking for anybody who might have any information on Albert Ellis Jones, he was born in Dublin Ireland 22 October 1922, he married Tirza Isabella Barwick on the 5 July 1945 in Gilsland Cumberland they were divorced and Albert remarried to a lady by the name of Rose or Rosie (I believe they had a son or daughter) they lived in Bulawayo, Zimbabwe, Albert moved back to Bristol and later died around 1999,

DC posted on the first thread. Did you buy the DC? Was the name and address of the informant any use?

Name: Albert Ellis Jones
Birth Date: 18 Oct 1922
Date of Registration: Jan 2000
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Reading
Inferred County: Berkshire
Register Number: B4B
District and Subdistrict: 3201B
Entry number: 59

So are we to assume that you are the son of Tirza, and your half brothers mother is Rose?

To the best of your knowledge, when did Albert and Tirza divorce? With a few more details, it might be possible to find their (you half brothers) names and yob.

Please reply on the thread - feed back is needed for us to help you.


Reggie Report 5 Feb 2013 10:30

Where have you looked?

What else do you know?

You say 'returned' to Bristol...........when did they leave?

Were they born in Bristol? Or in Rhodesia?


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 5 Feb 2013 10:25

Well, with Jones it's going to be difficult!

Do you have any more information, like dates/years or names?

When and where was Albert Ellis Jones born, and married?
Do you know the names of your half brothers? Where they were born? Roughly when, even if it is an 'after' year?


PaddyL Report 5 Feb 2013 09:57

Hi - I have been trying to find my 1/2 brother/sister, but am having no luck - They would/could have returned to Bristol in 1980 +-. My fathers name was Albert Ellis Jones and his wife was called Rose, I have no other info at all, they would have returned to Bristol from Bulawayo, Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) :-

I am about to give up as they do not seem to want to be found :-(

Kind regards Paddy