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James William Bagnall

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psmuskoka Report 14 Mar 2013 11:57

Thank you Peter and Jax for all the information which is very helpful and will be followed up on. With regards to the adoption he may well have been fostered out just like his brother Henry Cornelius Bagnall was. Henry retained his name and I was able to track his history and find some cousins of ours that had been lost to the family, however you are correct and if adopted and name changed it may be difficult to find him.
I do appreciate the info re our tree on Ancestry jax and will remove that as I like all the information to be as accurate as possible. many thanks to all the people on this site who have been absolutely wonderful and helpful
Peter Wraight


jax Report 14 Mar 2013 03:06

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Albert Edward Bagnall
Name: Albert Edward Bagnall
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Age: 22
Spouse Name: Rosalie Smith
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Sep 1905
Parish: Haggerston St Mary
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Henry Bagnall
Spouse Father Name: William Smith
Register Type: Parish Register

1911 England Census
about Albert Bagnall
Name: Albert Bagnall
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Tottenham
Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 73 Fellows Street, Shoreditch
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: PLATEN HAND
Registration district: Shoreditch
Registration District Number: 16
Sub-registration district: Shoreditch North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 1369
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Bagnall 29
Rosalie Bagnall 26
Leonard Andrews 1

I see you have all this on your tree on have attached an ER for 1945 and 1953 living in Paddington for James W Bagnall, think you will find they belong to someone born 1888


jax Report 14 Mar 2013 02:58

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
about Albert E Bagnall
Name: Albert E Bagnall
Birth Date: abt 1882
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1931
Age at Death: 49
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 657

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about Albert Edward Bagnall
Name: Albert Edward Bagnall
Probate Date: 28 Aug 1931
Death Date: 17 May 1931
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London, England

Of 218 Risby ave died 17th May 1931 at North Middx Hospital Edmonton to Leonard Percy Bagnall shop assistant and Charlotte Rumbol wife of John Rumbol £236 18s 4d


Peter Report 14 Mar 2013 01:10

If James was adopted, his name would have been changed. and he would not be married with the surname of Bagnall would he? Or are you thinking he might have been fostered and not adopted? Before you write to anyone you have to be 100% sure it is the right person and it doesn't look to me as if you have proved these Bagnalls in Bath / Wales are your family, or perhaps I have missed something?
If you believe the Father's address in Tottenham is the last known residence for James, you could apply to the Adoption Dept of the London Borough of Haringey, which covers that area, to see if James' Adoption file is with them. If you are a close family member they will help you a little with your search.
It does depend on each individual Local Authority as to how much information they will give you.
As you do not live in the UK I suggest you seek out your nearest
International Social Services Office and discuss first with them . If there is a File for James then Haringey will send the information from it to your International Social Services, they wont give it to you direct. It does sound a bit complicated,...... it isn't but it is a bit long winded!
Good luck with your search,

Have you tried searching for Albert, James' father? It would be easier to see if he re-married and had another family.than to search for James when you are not sure of his surname


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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 14 Mar 2013 00:23

You can see the children on FreeBMD. Search for Bagnall with mother's maiden name Cox.



psmuskoka Report 13 Mar 2013 22:35

Thanks again Rose i will check that out and attempt to contact the son on Facebook do you by any chance know his first name?

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One of the sons is on Facebook. I can send you the link if you are unable to find him.


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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 13 Mar 2013 22:08

There is an Amy who has the children in her tree on this site. Try Search then Search All Trees at the top to contact her.



psmuskoka Report 13 Mar 2013 21:44

Thank you Rose I very much appreciate that information it will allow me to move forward and order some certificates from the GRO
Have a great evening and best wishes from Canada
Pete Wraight

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 13 Mar 2013 21:32

Think he married:

Marriages Mar 1951
BAGNALL James W COX Bath 7c 24
COX Patricia J BAGNALL Bath 7c 24

I see 2 children born in Bath and one in Cardiff. This is all from FreeBMD.


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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 13 Mar 2013 21:19

There are no other James W Bagnell births around 1927 so that death you found could be correct.



psmuskoka Report 13 Mar 2013 20:21

Good evening to all in England, I am trying to get some information on James born 12th April 1927 to Rosalia Bagnall at 111 Gospatrick Road, Wood Green, Edmonton (from birth certificate) His mother died the following year and he lived for a while with his father Albert Edward Bagnall at 218 Risley Avenue, Tottenham. However his father was quite ill resulting in James being adopted out possibly at about age 2. Any information re his whereabouts would be appreciated and I am particularly interested in any record of marriage for him. i did find a death registration for someone with the same name in Wales 1963 but not sure if this is for him.
I did post this earlier as an attachment to Leonard Percy Andrews so sorry for any confusion.
Thank you Peter Wraight