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help needed im struggling

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Beverley

Beverley Report 4 Apr 2013 15:11

could anyone out there give me any info on any living relatives i might have with the surname schmitz. i have relatives found as far back as 1800 but the most recent is my great grandfather johan born 1869/1955 his wife was agnes jayne middleton he had one daughter who is my grandmother named winifred maud thats all i have for the recent ones so any help would be greatful thank you so much

Reggie

Reggie Report 4 Apr 2013 15:30

If the man and his wife had only a daughter, there aren't any Schmitz descendants from their marriage.

To find other relatives, you'll have to research Johan's siblings..........IF he had any

Where was Johan born?

Reggie

Reggie Report 4 Apr 2013 15:33

1871 census

Person: SCHMITZ, Johann Address: Dudley St, St Giles, London

SCHMITZ, Johann Head M 29 1842 Middlesex VIEW
SCHMITZ, Frances Wife F 27 1844 Middlesex VIEW
SCHMITZ, Johann Son M 2 1869 Middlesex VIEW
SCHMITZ, Frances Daughter F 0 1871 Middlesex VIEW
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1881 census


Person: SCHMITZ, Johann Address: 7, Blenheim Street, Chelsea

SCHMITZ, Johann Head Married M 44 1837 Foreman Tailor
Middlesex VIEW
SCHMITZ, Frances Wife Married F 38 1843
London City Of, London, Middlesex VIEW
SCHMITZ, Johann Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar
Bloomsbury, Middlesex VIEW
SCHMITZ, Frances Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Bloomsbury, Middlesex VIEW
SCHMITZ, Ada Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Bloomsbury, Middlesex VIEW
SCHMITZ, Amy Daughter Single F 3 1878
Chelsea, Middlesex VIEW
SCHMITZ, Theresa Mother Widow F 62 1819 Tailoress
Aachen, Germany VIEW

NO brothers, so the name won't have been carried forward

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Apr 2013 15:34

For info........

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: SCHMITZ, Joham
Address: 69 Westmoreland St S W

SCHMITZ, Joham Head M 42 1869 Tailor St Giles North Middlesex London VIEW
SCHMITZ, Agnes Jane Wife Married8 years F 33 1878 St Martine Le Grande Middlesex London VIEW
SCHMITZ, Winifred Maude Daughter F 7 1904 St George Hanover Square Belgrave London VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 452
Reference: RG14PN452 RG78PN15 RD5 SD2 ED20 SN363
Registration District: St George
Sub District: Belgrave
Enumeration District: 20
Parish: St George Hanover Square
Address: 69 Westmoreland St S W
County: London

Reggie

Reggie Report 4 Apr 2013 15:35

You'll have to go back a generation, and hope that Johann born c1840 had brothers

EDIT:

1861 census


Person: SCHMITE, Theresia Address: 58, High Holborn, St Andrew Holborn West Part, Finsbury

SCHMITE, Johann Head Married M 62 1799 Master Tailor
Germany VIEW
SCHMITE, Theresia Wife Married F 40 1821
Germany VIEW
SCHMITE, Johann Son Unmarried M 19 1842 Tailor
Clerkenwell, Middlesex VIEW
SCHMITE, Joseph Son Unmarried M 6 1855
St Andrews, Middlesex VIEW
HUG, Henry Boarder M 38 1823 Book Agent
Switzerland

NOW.......you can research Joseph.............find out on freebmd whether he married......and if he did, whether he fathered any male children

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Apr 2013 15:37

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: SCHMITZ, Johann
Address: 8 Guthrie St Chelsea

SCHMITZ, Johann Head Married M 70 1841 Retired Tailor Clerkenwell London VIEW
SCHMITZ, Francis Wife Married42 years F 68 1843 St Clements Daner London VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 378
Reference: RG14PN378 RG78PN12 RD4 SD1 ED5 SN741
Registration District: Chelsea
Sub District: Chelsea North
Enumeration District: 5
Parish: Chelsea
Address: 8 Guthrie St Chelsea
County: London
(5 children born, 3 living, 2 had died)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Apr 2013 16:03

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Ada Schmitz
Name: Ada Schmitz
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Age: 19
Spouse Name: Henry Francis Frost (Hatter's Assistant)
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Jul 1891
Parish: Chelsea St Simon Zelotes
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: Johann Henry Schmitz (Tailor)
Spouse Father Name: Henry Francis Frost (Decorator)
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: Henry Francis Frost and Johann Henry Schmitz

I couldn't find Ada and Henry in the 1901 and 1911..........this is why......


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Henry Francis Frost
Name: Henry Francis Frost
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1896
Age at Death: 26
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 269

Ada remarried.......

Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%)
Cole Henry John Fulham 1a 699
FROST Ada Fulham 1a 699



1901 England Census
about Ada Cole
Name: Ada Cole
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry John Cole
Gender: Female
Where born: St Giles, London, England

Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Chelsea
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, North
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 433
Piece: 75
Folio: 68
Page Number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
Henry John Cole 31
Ada Cole 28
Edward Franics Cole 3
Dora Winefred Cole 2


Ada died in 1907......

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Ada Cole
Name: Ada Cole
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1907
Age at Death: 34
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 332



Household transcription
1911 census

Person: COLE, Dora Winsfred
Address: 26 Dacre House Beaufort Street Chelsea

COLE, Henry John Head Widower M 42 1869 Shop Assistant Draper Chelsea London VIEW
FROST, Maude Stepdaughter Single F 18 1893 House Keeper At Home Chelsea London VIEW
COLE, Edward Francis Son M 13 1898 School Chelsea London VIEW
COLE, Dora Winsfred Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Chelsea London VIEW
COLE, Henry Lenard Robert Son M 8 1903 School Chelsea London VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 412
Reference: RG14PN412 RG78PN13 RD4 SD2 ED15 SN208
Registration District: Chelsea
Sub District: Chelsea South
Enumeration District: 15
Parish: Chelsea
Address: 26 Dacre House Beaufort Street Chelsea
County: London




PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Apr 2013 16:40

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Maud Frances Frost
Name: Maud Frances Frost
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1891
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 391

Maude in 1901..........I'm not sre if it reads Nurse or Niece!

1901 England Census
about Maude F Frost
Name: Maude F Frost
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Nurse
Gender: Female
Where born: Chilham, London, England

Civil parish: Teddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban the Martyr
Town: Teddington
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Hampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 114
Piece: 672
Folio: 102
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Robert J Shield 28
Amy Shield 23
Maude F Frost 9


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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Maud F Frost
Name: Maud F Frost
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1913
Age at Death: 21
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 377