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William Rae, Lillian KR Rae, Frederick Freemantle.

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Colin

Colin Report 16 Apr 2013 11:45

I am trying to find any living relatives of my grandmother's youngest brother. He was William Rae who was born in1874 in Aberdeen, Scotland but spent some of his life working as a rice merchant in India and living in the south of England. He married Lillie Rettie in Aberdeen in 1905 and together they had one child Lillian Kathleen Rettie Rae who was born in Rangoon, India, the following year. The couple divorced in 1926 and I think that their daughter married a Frederick Freemantle in St Albans in 1928. I do not know if they had any children or what happened to her and her father after that..
Can anyone please help me?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 11:58

You can look on FreeBMD for posible children for Lilian and Frederick by using their surname combination and area they married/lived

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 12:09

name: Lillian K R Rae
Spouse Surname: Freemantle
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1928
Registration district: St Albans
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 2513
Find Spouse: Frederick Freemantle


arrived from British Guana with husband Frederick an electrical enginneer and daughter Margaret aged 8. proposed address in the UK St Peters Street St Albans

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Lillian K Freemantle
Name: Lillian K Freemantle
Birth Date: abt 1906
Age: 28
Port of Departure: West Indies
Arrival Date: 12 Jul 1934
Port of Arrival: Plymouth, England
Ports of Voyage: La Ceiba
Ship Name: Caribia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Caribia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 12:11

With Fred and Margaret aged 5 home address c/o Crown Agents Millbank London

Name: Lillian Freemantle
Birth Date: abt 1907
Age: 24
Port of Departure: Demerara, Guyana
Arrival Date: 2 Jul 1931
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ship Name: Ingria
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Ingria' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Harrison Line Ltd
Official Number: 135475

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 12:14

been living in Palestine

Name: Mrs Lillian Freemantle
Birth Date: abt 1907
Age: 31
Port of Departure: Bombay, India
Arrival Date: 10 Apr 1938
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Bombay
Ship Name: Manela
Search Ship Database: View the 'Manela' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: British India Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 144250

with Fred and Margaret now aged 13 london address Kings Court Hotel Lancaster Gate London

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 12:30

just got Margaret aged 19 with him so maybe Lillian had died

Name: Frederick Freemantle
Birth Date: abt 1897
Age: 48
Port of Departure: Port Said, Egypt
Arrival Date: 26 May 1945
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Port Said
Ship Name: Pasteur
Search Ship Database: View the 'Pasteur' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard White Star
Official Number: 166305

been living in Palestine

occ retired civil servant prosed address Montpellier Hotel New Brighton Cheshire

so seems not to have a permanent home in the UK BUT is listied as intending to live in the UK

note they are returning post WW2 and were in Palestine where there was lots of fighting in WW2 maybe Lillian died there. not seeing her on Consular or overseas deaths

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 12:44


Civil Registration event: Marriage

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MarriageFinder: Lillie Rae married Charles W Cain
Name: RAE, Lillie
Registration district: Bromley
County: Kent
Year of registration: 1926
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Cain
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 1411

Name: CAIN, Charles W
Registration district: Bromley
County: Kent
Year of registration: 1926
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Rae Or Rettie
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 1411

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 12:47

looks like her death based on the Bromley marriage

Name: Lillie Cain
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1941
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: Bromley
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1471

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 12:49

Was a WW2 casualty
CAIN, LILLIE

Rank:
Civilian
Date of Death:
16/04/1941
Age:
55
Regiment/Service:
Civilian War Dead

Reporting Authority
BECKENHAM, MUNICIPAL BOROUGH
Additional Information:
of 11 Southend Road. Wife of Charles William Cain. Died at 11 Southend Road.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 13:39

further travel info
Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript

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Name: Fred FREEMANTLE
Date of departure: 15 August 1924
Port of departure: London
Destination port: Demerara
Destination country: Guyana (British Guiana)
Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age)
Age: 27
Marital Status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Elect Engr
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 2
Ship: NAVIGATOR
Official Number: 135575
Master's name: I Mowat
Steamship Line: Harrison
Where bound: West Indies
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 2404
Passengers on voyage: 1


Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript

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Name: Frederick FREEMANTLE
Date of departure: 6 October 1928
Port of departure: Avonmouth
Destination port: Port of Spain (Trinidad)
Destination country: West Indies
Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age)
Age: 31
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Govt Officer
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 4 of 8
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Lillian FREEMANTLE
Margaret FREEMANTLE
Ship: CAVINA
Official Number: 147896
Master's name: A D Riseley



Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript

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Name: Frederick FREEMANTLE
Date of departure: 25 February 1932
Port of departure: London
Destination port: Demerara
Destination country: Guyana (British Guiana)
Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age)
Age: 35
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Electric Eng
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 3
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Lillian K FREEMANTLE
Margaret FREEMANTLE
Ship: INGOMA
Official Number: 135475
Master's name: R Richardson
Steamship Line: Harrison
Where bound: Demerara, Guyana (British Guiana)
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 3565.64
Passengers on voyage: 26


travelled out again in 1954
Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript


Name: Frederick FREEMANTLE
Date of departure: 17 July 1954
Port of departure: Liverpool
Destination port: Durban (Port Natal)
Destination country: South Africa
Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age)
Age: 57
Marital Status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Retired
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 4
Ship: CLAN ROBERTSON
Official Number: 185012
Master's name: Capt A Redford
Steamship Line: The Clan Line Steamers Limited
Where bound: South Africa
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 7878
Passengers on voyage: 10
Home address "woodcroft" Leesons Hill Chislehurst Kent

Intending to live in South Africa

Colin

Colin Report 16 Apr 2013 19:14

Hi Shirley
Thanks most sincerely for the large amount of information you have managed to find.
Frederick and Lillian were obviously a well-travelled couple.
From the new information you have obtained, I think we can glean that;:-
1) Frederick Freemantle was born in 1897
2) He was an electrical engineer by profession
3) He and Lillian had a daughter named Margaret who was born c1925 probably before the couple got married. Her place of birth is as yet unknown.
4) Lillian appears to have died sometime between 1938 and 1954 in a place as yet unknown
5) Frederick appears to have emigrated to South Africa in 1954 after he had retired.
Can you add anything to this?
Regards
Colin

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 19:18

No Colin that about what I have concluded .
It looks that Lillian died abroad pre 1946 because Fred &Margaret came home without her

Wonder if Margaret married and stayed in the U K

Colin

Colin Report 16 Apr 2013 20:09

Shirley
I suppose they could have split up or travelled separately. However I do note that on his 1954 sailing to South Africa, Frederick's marital status is left blank.
So far I haven't found many records of a Margaret Freemantle in any of the usual sources.
Colin

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 20:40

Looks a strong possibility seeing as Fred &Lillian married in St Albans


Name: Margaret P Rae
Mother's Maiden Surname: Rae
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1925
Registration district: St Albans
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1163

Colin

Colin Report 16 Apr 2013 22:10

Well done, Shirley. I should have known that her surname was probably Rae after I said above that she was born before the couple got married. I wonder if Frederick was the father and what the P stands for.
Colin

Colin

Colin Report 16 Apr 2013 22:46

Shirley
It has taken me a bit of time to digest all the information you have found.
I note that you said that Lillie Cain was a WW2 casualty. Where did you get this info from? Or did you just mean that she died during the war?
Colin

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 Apr 2013 06:41

She died in WW2 and is listed on the CWGC site as a civilian casuality.

Would guess as the result of her home being bombed.as she died at home.You would need her cert for the details



St. George's Chapel in Westminster Abbey
Of the many civilians of the Commonwealth whose deaths were due to enemy action in the 1939-1945 War, the names of some 67,092 are commemorated in the Civilian War Dead Roll of Honour, located near St. George's Chapel in Westminster Abbey, London.

Colin

Colin Report 18 Apr 2013 10:38

Hi Shirley,
Since my last post I have found some interesting new information.
Lillian did not die in Palestine as you suspected. She obviously divorced Frederick and married an Edwin A Tippell in Wandsworth in Mar 1954 under her maiden name. She subsequently died in Surrey North in Feb 1985
However I have not discovered any new info about her daughter Margaret so the search goes on.
Kindest regards
Colin

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Apr 2013 11:09

So as she remarried Fred then went to Southa Africa.

Wonder if Margaret was a witness on her marriage,or on her death cert

Colin

Colin Report 19 Apr 2013 15:10

Hi Shirley
I must correct Item 3) in an earlier post.
I do not think now that Frederick Freemantle was Margaret's father.
Margaret was born in St Albans in 1925 at least 3 years before Frederick and Lillian got married.
Regards
Colin