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William Rae, Lillian KR Rae, Frederick Freemantle.

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Colin

Colin Report 16 Apr 2013 19:14

Hi Shirley
Thanks most sincerely for the large amount of information you have managed to find.
Frederick and Lillian were obviously a well-travelled couple.
From the new information you have obtained, I think we can glean that;:-
1) Frederick Freemantle was born in 1897
2) He was an electrical engineer by profession
3) He and Lillian had a daughter named Margaret who was born c1925 probably before the couple got married. Her place of birth is as yet unknown.
4) Lillian appears to have died sometime between 1938 and 1954 in a place as yet unknown
5) Frederick appears to have emigrated to South Africa in 1954 after he had retired.
Can you add anything to this?
Regards
Colin

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 13:39

further travel info
Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript

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Name: Fred FREEMANTLE
Date of departure: 15 August 1924
Port of departure: London
Destination port: Demerara
Destination country: Guyana (British Guiana)
Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age)
Age: 27
Marital Status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Elect Engr
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 2
Ship: NAVIGATOR
Official Number: 135575
Master's name: I Mowat
Steamship Line: Harrison
Where bound: West Indies
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 2404
Passengers on voyage: 1


Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript

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Name: Frederick FREEMANTLE
Date of departure: 6 October 1928
Port of departure: Avonmouth
Destination port: Port of Spain (Trinidad)
Destination country: West Indies
Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age)
Age: 31
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Govt Officer
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 4 of 8
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Lillian FREEMANTLE
Margaret FREEMANTLE
Ship: CAVINA
Official Number: 147896
Master's name: A D Riseley



Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript

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Name: Frederick FREEMANTLE
Date of departure: 25 February 1932
Port of departure: London
Destination port: Demerara
Destination country: Guyana (British Guiana)
Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age)
Age: 35
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Electric Eng
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 3
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Lillian K FREEMANTLE
Margaret FREEMANTLE
Ship: INGOMA
Official Number: 135475
Master's name: R Richardson
Steamship Line: Harrison
Where bound: Demerara, Guyana (British Guiana)
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 3565.64
Passengers on voyage: 26


travelled out again in 1954
Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript


Name: Frederick FREEMANTLE
Date of departure: 17 July 1954
Port of departure: Liverpool
Destination port: Durban (Port Natal)
Destination country: South Africa
Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age)
Age: 57
Marital Status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Retired
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 4
Ship: CLAN ROBERTSON
Official Number: 185012
Master's name: Capt A Redford
Steamship Line: The Clan Line Steamers Limited
Where bound: South Africa
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 7878
Passengers on voyage: 10
Home address "woodcroft" Leesons Hill Chislehurst Kent

Intending to live in South Africa

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 12:49

Was a WW2 casualty
CAIN, LILLIE

Rank:
Civilian
Date of Death:
16/04/1941
Age:
55
Regiment/Service:
Civilian War Dead

Reporting Authority
BECKENHAM, MUNICIPAL BOROUGH
Additional Information:
of 11 Southend Road. Wife of Charles William Cain. Died at 11 Southend Road.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 12:47

looks like her death based on the Bromley marriage

Name: Lillie Cain
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1941
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: Bromley
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1471

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 12:44


Civil Registration event: Marriage

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MarriageFinder: Lillie Rae married Charles W Cain
Name: RAE, Lillie
Registration district: Bromley
County: Kent
Year of registration: 1926
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Cain
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 1411

Name: CAIN, Charles W
Registration district: Bromley
County: Kent
Year of registration: 1926
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Rae Or Rettie
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 1411

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 12:30

just got Margaret aged 19 with him so maybe Lillian had died

Name: Frederick Freemantle
Birth Date: abt 1897
Age: 48
Port of Departure: Port Said, Egypt
Arrival Date: 26 May 1945
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Port Said
Ship Name: Pasteur
Search Ship Database: View the 'Pasteur' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard White Star
Official Number: 166305

been living in Palestine

occ retired civil servant prosed address Montpellier Hotel New Brighton Cheshire

so seems not to have a permanent home in the UK BUT is listied as intending to live in the UK

note they are returning post WW2 and were in Palestine where there was lots of fighting in WW2 maybe Lillian died there. not seeing her on Consular or overseas deaths

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 12:14

been living in Palestine

Name: Mrs Lillian Freemantle
Birth Date: abt 1907
Age: 31
Port of Departure: Bombay, India
Arrival Date: 10 Apr 1938
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Bombay
Ship Name: Manela
Search Ship Database: View the 'Manela' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: British India Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 144250

with Fred and Margaret now aged 13 london address Kings Court Hotel Lancaster Gate London

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 12:11

With Fred and Margaret aged 5 home address c/o Crown Agents Millbank London

Name: Lillian Freemantle
Birth Date: abt 1907
Age: 24
Port of Departure: Demerara, Guyana
Arrival Date: 2 Jul 1931
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ship Name: Ingria
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Ingria' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Harrison Line Ltd
Official Number: 135475

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 12:09

name: Lillian K R Rae
Spouse Surname: Freemantle
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1928
Registration district: St Albans
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 2513
Find Spouse: Frederick Freemantle


arrived from British Guana with husband Frederick an electrical enginneer and daughter Margaret aged 8. proposed address in the UK St Peters Street St Albans

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Lillian K Freemantle
Name: Lillian K Freemantle
Birth Date: abt 1906
Age: 28
Port of Departure: West Indies
Arrival Date: 12 Jul 1934
Port of Arrival: Plymouth, England
Ports of Voyage: La Ceiba
Ship Name: Caribia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Caribia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 11:58

You can look on FreeBMD for posible children for Lilian and Frederick by using their surname combination and area they married/lived

Colin

Colin Report 16 Apr 2013 11:45

I am trying to find any living relatives of my grandmother's youngest brother. He was William Rae who was born in1874 in Aberdeen, Scotland but spent some of his life working as a rice merchant in India and living in the south of England. He married Lillie Rettie in Aberdeen in 1905 and together they had one child Lillian Kathleen Rettie Rae who was born in Rangoon, India, the following year. The couple divorced in 1926 and I think that their daughter married a Frederick Freemantle in St Albans in 1928. I do not know if they had any children or what happened to her and her father after that..
Can anyone please help me?