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rendcomb45

rendcomb45 Report 22 Apr 2013 03:49

I am trying to find living descendants of the following: Emma Birkhead(1858) William Birkhead(1862) Ann Birkhead(1852) Parents were David birkhead(1824) and Emma howe (1831) They were married 1.11.1858 . Their other sibling was John Birkhead born 1864 he was my greatgrandfather.

jax

jax Report 22 Apr 2013 04:11

Have you looked to see if anyone else has these people in their tree?

If you find a connection click on find out more and send a message, deleting the can I view your tree message first

Flip

Flip Report 22 Apr 2013 06:28

Are you sure about the parents? The marriage you refer to is in West Yorkshire, and they appear on the 1861/71 census without any children.

Is this your family - no Emma, but this David was married to Elizabeth according to 1861 census.

David Birkhead
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Armley, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Headingley with Burley
Ecclesiastical parish: Burley
Town: Burley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: Kirkstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 9d
Household schedule number: 69
Piece: 4571
Folio: 54
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
David Birkhead 43
Ann Elizabeth Birkhead 19
Emma Birkhead 13
William Birkhead 9
John Birkhead 6

Reggie

Reggie Report 22 Apr 2013 09:49

Start with freebmd

Look for marriages/deaths

Reggie

Reggie Report 23 Apr 2013 16:20

To confirm Flip's statement............

1861 census


Person: BIRKHEAD, David Address: 16, Denmark Street, Hunslet, Leeds

BIRKHEAD, David Head Married M 30 1831 Engine Smith
Leeds, Yorkshire VIEW
BIRKHEAD, Emma Wife Married F 30 1831
Stanley, Yorkshire
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1871 census


Person: BIRKHEAD, David Address: Haigh Street Haigh Terrace, Leeds, Hunslet

BIRKHEAD, David Head M 47 1824 Yorkshire VIEW
BIRKHEAD, Emma Wife F 40 1831 Yorkshire

Why do you think that John's parents were this couple?

Do you have any documents to support the idea?

Reggie

Reggie Report 23 Apr 2013 16:34

??????

1881 census


Person: BIRKHEAD, John Address: Kensington Street, Dewsbury

MARCHANT, James Head Widower M 61 1820 Mill Engineer (Late)
Leeds, Yorkshire VIEW
BIRKHEAD, William Stepson Single M 19 1862 Soap Maker
Leeds, Yorkshire VIEW
BIRKHEAD, John Stepson Single M 16 1865 Mechanic Boiler Work
Leeds, Yorkshire

Reggie

Reggie Report 23 Apr 2013 16:43

Marriages Mar 1888 (>99%)
BIRKHEAD Ann Elizabeth Leeds 9b 661
GAUNT Joshua Leeds 9b 661

I've found the other two from the page married to each other in 1891

Reggie

Reggie Report 23 Apr 2013 16:47

1901 census

Person: GAUNT, Joshua Address: 4, Browns Place, Headingley Cum Burley, Kirkstall

GAUNT, Joshua Head Married M 45 1856 Furnace Man Iron Works
Leeds, Yorkshire VIEW
GAUNT, Annie E Wife Married F 49 1852
Leeds, Yorkshire VIEW
GAUNT, Ellen Daughter F 12 1889
Leeds, Yorkshire VIEW
GAUNT, Janet Daughter F 8 1893
Leeds, Yorkshire

Reggie

Reggie Report 23 Apr 2013 16:48

1911 census

Person: GAUNT, Joshua Address: 16 Norman Mount Kirkstall Leeds

GAUNT, Joshua Head Married M 56 1855 Forgeman Kirkstall Leeds Yorks VIEW
GAUNT, Ann Elizabeth Wife Married23 years F 60 1851 At Home Armley Leeds York VIEW
GAUNT, Ellen Daughter Single F 22 1889 Mender Kirkstall Leeds VIEW
GAUNT, Janet Daughter Single F 18 1893 Mender Kirkstall Leeds VIEW
SKINNER, Albt Visitor Single M 4 1907 Schoolboy St Albans Herts VIEW
KUMER, Joyce May Visitor Single F 1 1910 School Girl Burley Leeds Yorks

rendcomb45

rendcomb45 Report 25 Apr 2013 02:37

Hello all respondents and thank you for your interest and help !!! David Birkhead (1824) had 3 other siblings anne (1806) Charlotte and John (1816) His parents were John Birkhead (1776-1846) and mary marsh Born in Penistown in 1785? David married Emma Howe in 1858 there was an Ann born in !852 I had a genaeologist do some work for me and he sent me these results He thought that Ann could have been from a previous marriage.The other siblings were John( my g-grandfather ) 1864 Emma 1858 and William 1862. I am certain of these facts . It looks like the Ann in my tree married Joshua Gaunt I know that David died in 1879 . It looks like Emma Birkhead (wife of David) remarried .. James Marchant he is described as a widower in 1881 so Emma must have died in the interval between 1879 -1881 . This really muuddies the water!!!! Also I have a Hannah Taylor listed as Mary Birkheads' ( widow of John Birkhead died 1846) grand-daughter (1851 census) so I do not know how she fits in . Ann is not listed at the home in Hunslet Lane Hainsworth Yard Leeds in this census. Alan

Reggie

Reggie Report 25 Apr 2013 08:29

If David married to Emma was John's father.............he was a bigamist, and in two places at once when the 1861 and 1871 censuses were taken

Have you thought of getting marriage certs for some sort of proof?

You seem to be fixated on the idea that Emma was the mother of the younger children..................if she was, why did they never live in the same house?

What sort of documentary evidence did your 'genealogist' give you?

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

Flip

Flip Report 26 Apr 2013 18:27

Alan,

I'm with Reggie on this one, I think the genealogist may have led you up the garden path - not the first time, we've disproved other "facts" on these boards.

The family I originally posted in 1871 looks more likely for your ancestors - that David married Elizabeth before the birth of their first child - Ann Elizabeth.

I really think you need one of the children's birth certificates for the mother's details - as John is your ancestor he would be the obvious one to buy.

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

Flip

Flip Report 26 Apr 2013 19:06

Here you go, this is probably Emma's christening record:

Emma Birkhead
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1858
Parish: Leeds, St Peter
Baptism Date: 4 May 1860
Father's Name: David Birkhead
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Birkhead

Father is a mechanic, the families address is Wordsworth Street.

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Apr 2013 08:17

'Marked as answered'.....and no acknowledgement of the recent posts.

So we are left to wonder which info the OP has decided to believe. The obviously flawed results given by the so-called genealogist, or the facts provided on here

patchem

patchem Report 27 Apr 2013 08:52

You have put;
'The other siblings were John( my g-grandfather ) 1864 Emma 1858 and William 1862. I am certain of these facts . '
Does that mean that you have the birth certificates of all of these?
Thanks

rendcomb45

rendcomb45 Report 27 Apr 2013 11:02

Thank You Reggie I feel that I have most certainly been " led up the garden path ' and i would like to thank you and " Flip" for putting me on the right track You guys are doing agreat job helping us poor innocents who are doing the hard yards from australia Again my thanks Regards Alan

Flip

Flip Report 27 Apr 2013 12:18

This could be your g-grandfather's marriage?

John Birkhead (occ striker)
Birth Year: abt 1864
Age: 20
Marriage or Bann Date: 25 Dec 1884
Parish: Wortley, St John the Evangelist
Father's Name: David Birkhead (mechanic, which ties in with 61/71 census)
Spouse's Name: Frances Green (age 17)
Spouse's Father's Name: George Green (Plate Layer)

Witnesses were James Green and Sarah Ellen Johnson.

We all get led up the garden path sometimes!

Flip

Flip Report 27 Apr 2013 12:24

I've already posted 1871, so here is the 1861 census:

Davd Birkhead
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Birkhead
Gender: Male
Where born: Armley, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Headingley
Ecclesiastical parish: Burley
Town: Burley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Hunslet
Sub-registration district: Kirkstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 112
Piece: 3353
Folio: 85
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Davd Birkhead 33
Elizabeth Birkhead 32 Born Armley
Anni Elizabeth Birkhead 10 ditto
Emar Birkhead 2 (Emma, born Burley)
Ellen Birkhead 4 Months born Burley

rendcomb45

rendcomb45 Report 27 Apr 2013 12:42

Thanks once again "Flip" Yes that is my g-grandfathers marriage . I am now trying to trace Emma Ann elizabeth and ellen Thank you very much for your assistance sorry that I have caused you and "Reggie" so much grief Thank you Alan

Flip

Flip Report 27 Apr 2013 12:55

There is a death for Ellen in 1861 (no ages on BMD back then), but there is this burial, which I think has been mis-transcribed to give her age as 3 - the image looks more like 3 months to me:

Ellen Birkhead
Birth Year: abt 1858
Parish: Armley, St Bartholomew
Burial Date: 6 Jun 1861
Burial Age: 3