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Allen and Spillane family's

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Michael

Michael Report 29 Apr 2013 19:26

Hi.I am looking for any living relatives of the Allen and Spillane family's from the Lewisham and London arias.The Allen family's Head was William Charles Allen born 1840 and a butcher by trade and his wife Elizabeth Allen born 1846.The Spillane family's head was Maurice Spillane a cooper by trade on the London docks.The last living relative I new was my auntie Eillen Spilane born in 1926 and sadly passed away in February 2012 and lived in Kenton Devon.I would be most grateful for any information.Thank you Michael.F.Staniforth.Allen before adoption in 1947.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 Apr 2013 19:33

Have you looked on Search Trees to see if anyone has the family listed

patchem

patchem Report 29 Apr 2013 20:38

Presumably this was your aunt:
Births Sep 1926
SPILLANE Eileen M Brewster Greenwich 1d 1276

If you knew her then what information did she give you about living relatives?
Thanks

Added;
Parents' marriage (and 6 children showing on free bmd)
Marriages Jun 1915
Brewster May E Spillane St.Olave 1d 640
Spillane Maurice J Brewster St. Olave 1d 640

Michael

Michael Report 30 Apr 2013 18:43

Dear Sir/Madam.Thank you for the information I have got most of the information you have sent me.My auntie Eileen did not give me a lot of information when she was alive.You see she was reluctant to speak about the family especially the Irish side of the family and that is wear I am struggling to find information.The only information I have is that they came from County Cork but don't know when they came over to England to settle in the London aria.I have contacted three living relatives all cousins but they don't know a lot or they would have told me.Once again thank you.Michael.F.Staniforth.

patchem

patchem Report 30 Apr 2013 20:21

Where did you get the information that they came from County Cork?
(And do you mean the Allen family and also the Spillane family?)

If they had been living in London since the 1840's, then why do you think that living relatives will know about their past history?

Have you found your ancestors on the 1840 census?

Thank-you.

patchem

patchem Report 30 Apr 2013 20:57

?
1861 England Census
John Spillane Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Spillane
Mother's Name: Johannah Callanon
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Rotherhithe Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Surrey Country: England
Registration district: Rotherhithe Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household schedule number: 107 Piece: 391 Folio: 7 Page Number: 19
John Spillane 45 Ireland
Ellen Spillane 44 Ireland
Margarete Spillane 20 Ireland
Catherine Spillane 17
xxxMarine Spillane 15 Maurice 1846 Bermondsey
John Spillane 8
Agness Spillane 6
Ellen Mary Spillane 4
Mary McLoughlin 18
Patrick Callanon 23 police constable Ireland son
Johannah Callanon 60 Ireland Mother widow
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 391; Folio: 7; Page: 19; GSU roll: 542629.

patchem

patchem Report 30 Apr 2013 21:06

1851 England Census
John Spillane Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ellen Spillane Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Surrey Country: England
Registration district: Bermondsey Sub-registration district: St James
ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 126 Piece: 1560 Folio: 213 Page Number: 26
John Spillane 35 Ireland Police constable
Ellen Spillane 35 Ireland
Margaret Spillane 10 Ireland
Kate Spillane 7 Bermondsey
xxxx Marian Spillane 5
James Spillane 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1560; Folio: 213; Page: 26; GSU roll: 174793.

patchem

patchem Report 30 Apr 2013 21:21

?
1871 England Census
Johanah Calman Age: 60 (Not convined as to age)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Mother Gender: Female
Where born: Cork, Ireland
Civil parish: St John Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: St John Horsleydown
ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 248 Piece: 625
Folio: 52 Page Number: 44
Patrick Calman 32 Cork Ireland
Mary A Calman 30
Patrick J Calman 5
John M Calman 3
Johanah Calman 60
Michail Larkin 40
Michael Fannon 23
Henry Barker 19
Richard Maynihan 17
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 625; Folio: 52; Page: 44; GSU roll: 818924.

Michael

Michael Report 4 May 2013 18:11

Dear Sir/Madam.I got the information from one of my Spillane relatives that the family came from County Cork they thought it was around the time of the potato famine in Ireland.IWhen I asked my auntie Eileen about this when we met she told me that the family did not have any Irish connections.But when I went into it further I discovered why she told me this.Apparently there had been an child born out of wedlock and so she disowned the Irish side of the family.I have also been on the 1840 census site and that is wear I found my Great Grandfather and Great Grandmother on the Allen side of the Family.Thank you Michael.F.Staniforth.

patchem

patchem Report 5 May 2013 09:14

So have you now tracked your family through the censuses if you found the Allens in 1841?

Have you applied for the birth certificate of Eileen and the marriage certificate of Eileen's parents for more information, and have you found all the births of her siblings?

Have you looked to see if anyone on here have any of your family in their trees, and then tried to contact them?

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 May 2013 09:39

Have checked 1871 image, and would agree with the transcription of the age for Johanah

As you seemingly have census access, not sure how you think we can add anything to your findings

For Irish baptisms etc, try the IGI

https://familysearch.org/

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 May 2013 09:43

Have you followed-through on freebmd looking for possible descendants of Eileen's siblings?

Have you looked for/found their deaths?

The informants would probably be relatives, and their details will be on the death certs

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 May 2013 09:50

Death
Name: SPILLANE, Maurice Charles J
Registration district: Lewisham
County: London
Year of registration: 1998
Month of registration: February
Date of Birth:3 December 1915
District no: 2421A
Reg no: A61A
Ent no: 141
DOR: 298
____________________________________________________


Death
Name: SPILLANE, Bernard James
Registration district: Harlow
County: Essex
Year of registration: 2002
Month of registration: July
Date of Birth:7 March 1921
District no: 4721A
Reg no: 29A
Ent no: 168
DOR: 702

On 2002 ER, there was a Michelle at the same address as Bernard......and a Margaret

If you buy credits for 192, you can probably find Michelle's 2012 address

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 May 2013 09:52

Marriages Dec 1947 (>99%)
Spillane Bernard J Woods Willesden 5f 687
Woods Margaret Spillane Willesden 5f 687

Michael

Michael Report 5 May 2013 13:02

Dear Sir/Madam.Thank you for the reply.Bernard Spillane is my uncle but sadly passed away some time ago.It was one of his son's Philip's daughter's that contacted me and made me aware of the Spillane family being related to me.But once they had given me all the information I contacted them several times but they did not respond back to me.Even my cousin Elizabeth Leaford has stopped emailing me after my auntie Eillen passed away. I have found another cousin Joy Coles who now lives in France and I have spoken to her over the internet but she does not have a lot of information about the Spillane or Allen families.Thank you Michael.F.Staniforth.

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 May 2013 13:20

So you ARE aware of living relatives...................and have had contact with them


Which means that this statement is not quite correct............

The last living relative I new was my auntie Eillen Spilane

Leaving this now.............

patchem

patchem Report 5 May 2013 13:38

Michael,
Have you identified all 6 children if you are trying to find more living relatives?

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

patchem

patchem Report 5 May 2013 13:45

Which Allen/Spillane are you related to - or neither?

Marriages Mar 1940
Allen Frank Spillane Lewisham 1d 2942
Spillane Kathleen M Allen Lewisham 1d 2942

Marriages Sep 1945
Allen Francis W Spillane Hammersmith 1a 599
Spillane Molly P Allen Hammersmith 1a 599