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Speakman

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 15 Jul 2013 00:40

Just a couple of things..

You won’t find a copy of the marriage certificate on Ancestry or anywhere else as it’s too recent. Choccy had already posted the details you need to order it from GRO

Name: Kathleen A Rowlett
Spouse Surname: Rowlett
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1963
Registration District: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 5e
Page Number: 657

The most recent Probate Calendar entries on Ancestry are for 1975. If she has died since then any entry won’t be shown.

From the references found, it would seem that Ada took the surname Rowlett before she was free to marry. she was perfectly entitled to use another name as long as it wasn’t for any illegal purpose. Both the death of her first husband and the marriage to the second took place in 1963. He died on 8 Feb 1963, she re-married in the Oct-Dec quarter of the same year.

At the time of Albert Edward Speakman’s death she was still his legal wife and was able to apply for the Letters of Administration of his Estate (meaning no Will) on that basis.

It would be worth purchasing either the MC or the Letters of Administration to see what the address was at the time. There are 4 Rowlett/Watson births from 1956-1963 in Edmonton, and one 1965 in Enfield. Without the exact dob, it may not be possible to order one of those to confirm the parents, but you could search for the names and see if you can contact them.

The Reg details are on Ancestry and should be on Genes.

Susan

Susan Report 14 Jul 2013 18:50

I was given a phone number for Margaret.She said her mum walked out when she was young,also found it was with her cousin.She carried on to have more children 3 or 5 she thinks.She last saw her in 1970.
Haven't found a marriage for Kathleen and Thomas Rowlett...and still not sure if she is still living..

Haven't managed to find a will..have looked on Ancestry for that..

Flip

Flip Report 14 Jul 2013 09:32

You're right Rose, I must have mis-typed the surname when I looked yesterday, a Frederick at the same address - possibly her son if it is the right Kathleen?

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 14 Jul 2013 08:34

Flip,

There's on in Enfield on 192.com without a middle initial.

Rose

Susan

Susan Report 13 Jul 2013 14:15

Thank you all,
I am only just learning on this family.I had a son contact me and ask if i knew whether she re-married/passed away..this made me start looking on this side.

The Rowlett is interesting as that was her Grandmother's maiden name...now getting confused..did she marry a relative?? Think i will invest in marriage certificate to try unravel that one...

I haven't had contact with her other children from Speakman marriage i found two of them but still looking.

I appreciate your help very much thank you,will keep this updated :)

Flip

Flip Report 13 Jul 2013 12:26

I think this would confirm the connection?

Albert Edward Speakman
Probate Date: 16 Aug 1963
Death Date: 8 Feb 1963
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: Peterborough

Of 45 Suez road Enfield, died at Chase Farm Hospital. Probate to Kathleen Ada Rowlett, widow.

EDIT - it says administration not probate, so does this mean there may be a will?

I can't see a death for Kathleen, so she may well still be alive but no sign of her under Rowlett on the ERs on 192.com

Choccy

Choccy Report 13 Jul 2013 12:09



living with Bernard and Maureen Watson and Thomas Rowlett

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: Kathleen A Rowlett

Year: 1964

County or Borough: Enfield

Ward or Division/Constituency: Enfield East

Street Address: 67 Walters Road

Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/3012


Choccy

Choccy Report 13 Jul 2013 12:07


As she was with the Rowletts in 1955, could this be her. There are Rowlett/Watson children born before this.

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005

Name: Kathleen A Rowlett

Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1963

Registration District: Edmonton

Inferred County: Middlesex

Volume Number:

5e

Page Number:

657

Find Spouse: Thomas Rowlett



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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 13 Jul 2013 11:26

Are you in contact with the children? Do they have any idea of what happened to her?
Added - or when there was last contact?

If you bought her BC it would give her exact d.o.b. If she has died prior to 2005/6 we may be able to find a record using that and her first names.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 Jul 2013 11:12

Name: Kathleen A Speakman
Year: 1955
County or Borough: Edmonton
Ward or Division/Constituency: Edmonton North East
Street Address: 128 St Peters Road
Reference Number: MR/PER/C/0944

In the same house as Fred &Maisie Rowlett

Was there too in 1954

Susan

Susan Report 13 Jul 2013 10:48

Sorry have found that the children were raised by their grandmother Emma..

Susan

Susan Report 13 Jul 2013 10:47

Hi there,i am trying to find any records of a marriage or death of Kathleen Ada Speakman,she was born Kathleen Ada Watson in Edmonton in 1932,she went on to marry Albert Edward Speakman on the 31st March 1951. They produced Margaret Ann Speakman born 1951/Q3 and John F Speakman 1952/Q4 Albert Edward Speakman died 1963Q1 age 37. Prior to this apparently Kathleen Ada his wife had left him we do not know what happened to the bringing up of the children Margaret & John after this date. We are in vain trying to establish the death remarriage or any thing after this date of Kathleen Ada Watson (Speakman)...Any help would be great.
Many thanks :-)