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OK, it's defo CRONAN:

Margaret reg 1900
John 1902
Owen Humphrey 1903
Mary Josephine 1905
James Patrick 1907
Frank 1908
Thomas Wilfrid 1911

All with same MMN

So I think you found the right marriage Shirley!

I was on the wrong track.....................searching for the forenames as given, which are not as registered

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1902
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MATTHEWS John St John Preston CRONAN ST.J/42/43

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MATTHEWS Owen Humphrey West Preston Preston CRONAN WP/1/27

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1905
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MATTHEWS Mary Josephine West Preston Preston CRONAN WP/4/4

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1907
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MATTHEWS James Patrick West Preston Preston CRONAN WP/7/87

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1909
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MATTHEWS Frank West Preston Preston CRONAN WP/11/4

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1911
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MATTHEWS Thomas Wilfrid West Preston Preston CRONAN WP/13/3

Death

Name: MATTHEWS, Thomas W
Registration district: Preston
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1911
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death:0
Volume no: 8E
Page no: 754

Typical, they married in the reg office or non-conformist (maybe Catholic?) - so probably won't show up on Lan-opc - none of the children's christenings show up

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1895
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CRONAN Margaret MATTHEWS Owen Preston Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston PRESTON/104/107

Death

Name: MATTHEWS, James P
Registration district: Liverpool South
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1965
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death:57
Volume no: 10D
Page no: 594

Think the only way further back would be to get the marriage certificate to find father's names. Although Cronan isn't that common, there look to be 2 Margaret's born in Liverpool, one was with her parents & the other in an industrial school in 1881.

This one was in Preston by 1891, but I've no way of knowing which she was:

Margaret Cronan
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Preston
Sub-registration District: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3440
Folio: 147
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
George Parker 22
Richard Parker 20
James Bamber 24
Mary Ellen Bamber 24
Maria Pollard 59
Cora Pollard 3
Margaret Cronan 19

So with a combined effort we all got there ,team work I call it lol :-D

Many eyes are better than 2!!!!

I think this MAY be Margaret Ellen, for the death you posted, but without the marriage cert can't be sure of her fathers name:

Margarita Helena Cronin
Birth Date: 25 May 1870
Baptism Date: 1 Jun 1870
Parish: St Peter's Priory
Father's Name: Humphry Cronin
Mother's Name: Margarita Connor

A catholic baptism in Liverpool. And she is on the 1871 census:


Margret Cronan
Age: 10 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Humphry Cronan
Mother's Name: Margret Cronan
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration District: Liverpool
Sub-registration District: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household Schedule Number: 48
Piece: 3776
Folio: 59
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Humphry Cronan 28
Margret Cronan 28 (b Ireland)
Elizabeth Clark 60
Mary Cronan 7
Winifred Cronan 4
James Cronan 2
Margret Cronan 10 Months

A number of her siblings also baptised in Liverpool.

And her mother turning up in Preston in 1891:

Margaret Cronan
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Preston
Sub-registration District: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3440
Folio: 96
Page Number: 52
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Cronan 47
Winfield Cronan 24
Richard Fox 21
Ruth Fox 27

A strong possibility?

The actual request is for descendants of the siblings, which was why I posted the death of Owen H, for the OP to get the cert.

But she didn't see any of the info.................

Fair point Reggie, she may already have all the history and just wants the descendants.........maybe she'll come back later if she needs something more.

Thank you For all the info. As I've been out all day have not yet had the chance to look at it all but shall settle down to do that now. Many thanks

That's brilliant., I hadn't thought of looking on the Lancs bed site. I had just used Genes Reunited. Very many thanks. :-)

Hi Elizabeth,

As Reggie said, you were originally looking for descendants of the family - does that mean you have most of their history?

If you are looking for descendants, you may need to give a few more details - Matthews is a rather common name, so do you have any idea of the names of any of your father's siblings partners. Do you remember any aunts/uncles that would give some leads?

Hi Flip. We didn't really know much about my husbands fathers side at all although he brought my husband up along with his brothers and sisters after their mother died.
My sister in law could remember Uncle Owen which put us on the right track and also that their father had said the street where they grew up. We knew there was an Irish connection but didn't know where. From the info you have found we see that it was my husbands grandfather I.e. His fathers father and also his fathers mothers mother!
We have no idea at the moment what children his fathers brothers and sisters had but armed with this new information we shall investigate. Very many thanks. :-)

Suggestion ONLY................you'll need the cert for confirmation

Marriages Dec 1927 (>99%)

Matthews Mary J Tompkins Preston 8e 1068
Tompkins Stanley Matthews Preston 8e 1068

Check freebmd for children..............

??????

Marriages Dec 1932 (>99%)

Matthews James P Moran Preston 8e 1110
Moran Ann Matthews Preston 8e 1110

Three possible offspring........on freebmd


Again, as with the marriage of the parents, and Mary's (above) they were not married in a C of E Church.

The Irish connection would suggest RC

I can't keep up with you all!!! (Meant in the nicest possible way!). Many thanks though as we are off to visit our son and family in Australia at the end of this month and are hoping to take all this info with us.

Wonder if you could help me once more? On the 1871 census I can't read the occupation oh Humphrey Cronan, born c1843. It seems to be marine something?
That was in Liverpool. :-)

it looks like marine store dealer

1881
CRONAN, Humphry Convict Married M 37 1844 Marine Storedealer
Chatham, Kent

Person: CRONAN, Humphry Address: " Woking Invalid Prison, Knaphill Woking", Woking