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Leonard Dowsett/Lilian Emily Walton

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Beewasp

Beewasp Report 30 Jun 2015 10:12

Above married in 1941 and I am trying to trace any children that they had and any descendants that are alive. They married in Guildford,Surrey.
Leonard was born 1899 in West Ham, Lilian in 1926 Southwark.
Any info would be helpful.
Beewasp

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Jun 2015 11:14

Well you can take a look for yourself on freebmd using their surname combination

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Jun 2015 11:35

Are you sure of Leonard birth as the one born 1899 dead the same year


First name(s) LEONARD
Last name DOWSETT
Birth year 1899
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District WEST HAM
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A
Page 77
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records


First name(s) LEONARD
Last name DOWSETT
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1899
Age 0
Death quarter 3
Death year 1899
District WEST HAM
County Essex
Volume 4A
Page 52
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007

Have you got the actual marriage cert for both their ages ???


Edit that can't be the right birth year either for Lilian ,she would only be 15 in 1941

malyon

malyon Report 30 Jun 2015 12:30

bermondsey comes under southwark area

Lilian E Walton
England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name: Lilian E Walton
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1926
Registration District: St. Olave Bermondsey
County: London
Event Place: St. Olave Bermondsey, London, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3): Austin

malyon

malyon Report 30 Jun 2015 12:34



Lilian E Walton
mentioned in the record of Dowsett and Lilian E Walton
Name: Lilian E Walton
Event Type: Marriage Registration
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1941
Registration District: Surrey South Western
County: Surrey
Event Place: Surrey South Western, Surrey, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911): Dowsett
Volume: 2A
Page: 1645
Line Number: 70

malyon

malyon Report 30 Jun 2015 12:37

could be 3 births to the marriage 1942-1951

Gritty

Gritty Report 30 Jun 2015 13:42

Are you sure of Lilian's age? A tree on Ancestry has her birth in 1897:

Probate:
Lilian Emily Dowsett
of 2 Pond Hse Merrow St Guildford Surrey died 21st May 1992
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar#calendar

Death:
Name: Lilian Emily Dowsett
Birth Date: 4 May 1897
Date of Registration: May 1992
Age at Death: 95
Registration district: Surrey South-western
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 17
Page: 1372

EDIT: A tree on ancestry has their marriage certicate- ages were Leonard 46 (Father George), Lilian 43 (father Tom Taylor Walton).

Marriage cert says Leonard was formerly husabnd of Catherine Lucy MacDougall but had obtained divorce.

Gritty

Gritty Report 30 Jun 2015 14:07

Leonard's previous marriage to Catherine L Macdougall was registered Dennistoun Glasgow in 1918

malyon

malyon Report 30 Jun 2015 15:08

father of lilian

Births Jun 1867 (>99%)

Walton Tom Taylor Croydon 2a 203

malyon

malyon Report 30 Jun 2015 15:14

only marriage for a tom taylor walton

Marriages Mar 1895 (>99%)
Walton Tom Taylor Ecclesall B. 9c 349

malyon

malyon Report 30 Jun 2015 15:52

that cant be lilian born 1926 her marraige 1941 she would only be 15years old

Gritty

Gritty Report 30 Jun 2015 16:59

I've messaged you the original marriage certificate of Lilian and Leonard in 1941 so you can see the ages and fathers.

Are you looking for marriage and children of this Lilian?

Birth:
Name: Lilian E Walton
Mother's Maiden Surname: Austin
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1926
Registration district: St Olave
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 193

malyon

malyon Report 30 Jun 2015 17:08

could this be leonard's birth

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Dowsett Leonard Pipe W.Ham 4a 557

Gritty

Gritty Report 30 Jun 2015 17:12

Yvonne- Leonard was listed as 46 on his marriage to Lilian in 1941. But I don't think Brian is really researching this marriage- once he sees the age of Lilian on the marriage certificate he'll hopefully get back to us.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 1 Jul 2015 08:29

Had a PM from Brian, Lilian is a sister he only learnt about recently Looking for a possible birth for him it seems the 1926 Lilian could be the sister and he has tied that up with th 1941 marriage
if it is the earlier Lilian then there's a twenty plus year gap between them !

I gone back and pointed that out to him but he hasnt come back to say Yea or Nay

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 1 Jul 2015 09:14

The girl may not even have kept the name Walton - if the poster didn't know about her, he has no way of knowing what name she used when she married

How did he find out about her?

What prompted him to latch on to the 1926 birth?

ADDED

That girl has/had several siblings born in the same area.(St Olave - not Southwark)

Births Dec 1923 (>99%)
WALTON Arthur W J Austin St.Olave 1d 265

Births Mar 1925 (>99%)
Walton William A Austin St.Olave 1d 214

Births Mar 1928 (>99%)
Walton John Austin St.Olave 1d 232

Births Dec 1929 (>99%)
Walton Henry Austin St.Olave 1d 157


Brian's birth is in a different district. (Epsom)

He needs the birth cert, to establish the names of the parents

ADDED

These may be Lilian's parents..................married in the area in which the births were registered


Marriages Dec 1922 (>99%)

Austin Winifred E Walton St.Olave 1d 271
WALTON Arthur Austin St. Olave 1d 271

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 1 Jul 2015 14:06

There was a marriage in Southwark


Marriages Jun 1923 (>99%)

Austin Louisa Walton Southwark 1d 93
Walton John W Austin Southwark 1d 93

And two births


Births Sep 1923 (>99%)
Walton Louisa R Austin Southwark 1d 64

Births Dec 1924 (>99%)
Walton John W Austin Southwark 1d 140

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 1 Jul 2015 16:16

Brian has LOUISA (1923) in his tree

..........but NOT John (1924)

So there is considerable uncertainty on his part, it seems

Can't see who he has in his tree for his parents (if anyone) - at the moment

No point in doing any more until Brian returns

When you do, Brian, add feedback ON HERE

Beewasp

Beewasp Report 2 Jul 2015 14:51

Hi Everyone, Sorry that I have not replied to all of your messages. I have damaged my right hand wrist badly and am unable to type(my Wife is doing this for me).A lot of info has come in and will take a while to absorb and dissect. It appears that the Lilian is the one born 1926 and I was misled in thinking she married Leonard. I have a more complete tree in Ancestry given to me every year by a relative so have not pursued Friends very much. My Parents were John William Walton born 1903 Southwark, Louise Austin born 1904 Southwark. My Sister Louise Rose born 1923 Southwark and John born and died 1924 Southwark. My parents moved to Carshalton,Surrey in 1933 when I was born in Carshalton not Epsom as suggested.

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Jul 2015 15:12

Please read again what I said about your birth.

I quoted the district..................

Until and unless you get a copy of her birth cert, you can't know who Lilian's parents were.

Take note that she was the middle one of FIVE born in St Olave district, while your siblings were being born elsewhere

Please read info posted about marriages and births...........and think it through, carefully

NEVER rely on anyone else's info unless it can be backed up by documentation

Someone has already given false info about Lilian's supposed marriage