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Anyone have access to Army records?

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Shani

Shani Report 21 Sep 2013 16:48

Hi All
I know my grandfathers name was Patrick John O'Brien, Private No. 6205121 with Middlesex Regiment and he was born around 1919 to 1921ish. I have no other info apart from he married my Nan Blance N B Smith 25/12/39. I was wondering if anyone could look up army records as I can't afford to pay. Any info will be great, many thanks
Shani

George_of_Westbury

George_of_Westbury Report 21 Sep 2013 17:21

These records are not in the public domain, so no one can look for them, they are still held by the MOD.

Here is the link to the Veterans Agency, which explains all, I have to say trhough that to obtain these records will cost £30-00,unless he or his wife is still alive then they are free, but can take 9 months to receive them.There is no other way im afraid



http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/army.html


Another link

https://www.gov.uk/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records

George

George_of_Westbury

George_of_Westbury Report 21 Sep 2013 18:03

Found this, he was a POW in WW2.


First Name:
P J

Initials:
P J

Surname:
O’Brien

Resided Town:
Stalag 20b, Marienburg

Nationality:
British

Resided Country:
Poland

Fate:
Prisoner of War

Information:
POW No.7394

Rank:
Private

Service Number:
6205121

Service:
British Army

Regiment:
Middlesex Regiment
Middlesex Regiment during World War 2

Middlesex Regiment

More information about Middlesex Regiment
Formed: 1881

Disbanded: 1966

The Middlesex Regiment (Duke of Cambridge’s Own) was officially formed in 1881 when the 57th West Middlesex and the 77th East Middlesex Regiments of Foot were amalgamated as part of the Childers Reforms. However, the Regiment can trace its history back 126 years prior to this date.

The 57th was first raised in 1755 and initially numbered the 59th but rose to the 57th Regiment of Foot in 1756 when the 50th and 51st were disbanded. The Regiment served during the American Revolutionary War (1775-83) until its surrendered at Yorktown. It came by its nickname the “Die-hards” during the Peninsular War. On 16th May 1811 at the Battle of Albuera, Commander Colonel Inglis had his horse shot from under him and was severely wounded. As he lay on the ground, he called to his soldiers to: “Die Hard, 57th Die Hard!” In 1824 the Regiment embarked at Chatham to convey convicts to Australia and remained there until 1831 when it moved to India for 15 years. It then went on to serve during the Crimean War (1854-56) and the Indian Mutiny (1857-59), then moving to New Zealand in 1860 for 7 years. After a period of 6 years on garrison duty in Ireland and Britain it moved to Ceylon (now Sri Lanka) and then took part in the Zulu War of 1879. In 1782 all British Regiments without Royal titles were awarded county titles in order to aid recruitment from those areas, the 57th was given the West Middlesex association to become 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment of Foot.

The 77th was first formed in 1787 as the ‘77th (Hindoostan) Regiment of Foot’ by the East India Company during heighten tensions between France and Britain in India. However the tensions had passed once the Regiment was raised and the Company refused to pay for it, so it passed to the British Army. The Regiment was deployed to India in 1788 and remained there for 19 years serving in the Mahratta and Mysore Wars fighting at the storming of Seringapatam 1799. In 1807 the county designation of East Middlesex was awarded, becoming the 77th (East Middlesex) Regiment of Foot. To commemorate its Indian service the Regiment was granted permission to bear the motto and plumes of the Prince of Wales and returned to Europe to serve in the unsuccessful Walcheren Campaign and the Peninsular War including the Siege of Ciudad Rodrigo and the First Siege of Badajoz and the Battle of Bayonne. The Regiment had another period of garrison duties in various areas including Jamaica, Malta Nova Scotia and England until 1854 when it went to serve in the Crimean War fighting at the Battles of Sevastopol, Balaklava, The Alma, and Inkerman. In 1858 the Regiment was deployed to India to suppress the Indian Rebellion and were awarded the title of ‘Duke of Cambridge’s Own’ in 1876 becoming the ‘77th (East Middlesex) Regiment of Foot (The Duke of Cambridge’s Own)’.

In 1881 the 57th and 77th Regiments were amalgamated to form The Duke of Cambridge’s Own (Middlesex Regiment) as part of the Childers Reforms. The Childers Reform restructured the British army infantry regiments into a network of multi-battalion regiments each having two regular and two militia battalions. The newly formed Regiment went on to serve in the Boer War (1899-1902) and two World Wars.

In 1921, the Regimental title was reversed to The Middlesex Regiment (Duke of Cambridge's Own). In 1966 it was further merged with the Royal Surrey Regiment, The Buffs (East Kent Regiment) and the Sussex Regiment to form the Queen’s Regiment. In 1991 The Queen’s Regiment was amalgamated with the Royal Hampshire Regiment to form the Princess of Wales’s Royal Regiment and is the most senior English line infantry Regiment.

Click here for more information on Middlesex Regiment

George

Shani

Shani Report 21 Sep 2013 19:39

Thank you so much for that George, one step closer!
Shani

Reggie

Reggie Report 23 Sep 2013 21:28

That, I'm afraid, is as much as you will get without paying £30.00 for his records....and you would probably have to prove that you are his next of kin.

To find out how old he said he was..........and his father's name (if known) you could buy the marriage cert...........it will cost £9.25 from the GRO

Marriages Dec 1939 (>99%)
O'Brien Patrick J Smith Hendon 3a 2731
Smith Blanche N B O'Brien Hendon 3a 2731

Denis

Denis Report 24 Sep 2013 09:48

If you are not next of kin then the following rules apply:

Under the scheme, and in recognition of the duty of care owed to the family of the deceased subject, for a period of 25 years following the date of death of the subject and without the consent of the next of kin, MOD will disclose only:
•surname
•forename
•rank
•service number
•regiment/corps
•place of birth
•age
•date of birth
•date of death where this occurred in service
•the date an individual joined the service
•the date of leaving
•good conduct medals (for example, Long Service and Good Conduct Medal (LS&GCM)), any orders of chivalry and gallantry medals (decorations of valour) awarded, some of which may have been announced in the London Gazette

After this period, and if it is held, in addition MOD will disclose without the requirement for next of kin consent:
•the units in which he/she served
•the dates of this service and the locations of those units
•the ranks in which the service was carried out and details of campaign medals awarded

The administration fee of £30 will be waived for requests from those who were the spouse or civil partner of the subject at the time of death (or parent if there was no spouse or civil partner).

Where the consent of the immediate next of kin has been given for its release to a third party, the 25 year threshold will not apply allowing the release of all the information available under the publication scheme at any time, subject to the payment of an administration fee of £30 per record and the provision of a death certificate (except where death was in service).

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 26 Sep 2013 19:47

Shani....

Check this site out for info.re Stalag XXB


The Wartime Memories Project - STALAG 20b POW Camp
www.wartimememories.co.uk/pow/stalag20b.html