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Family missing from census'.(Smith!)

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RStar

RStar Report 14 Mar 2011 12:22

Theres seems to be no trace of this family. My great grandmother Eliza Smith was born 1897 (according to her marriage and death certs) but no-one knows where. Her father was Charles Smith, shoemaker. This side of the family are not Romany as far as I know, so they should be somewhere. But with the Smith name and no idea of location its impossible. Eliza's daughter is in her 80s and remembers some of Eliza's siblings names - Nora, Ada (who married Thomas Foy), Isaac, Beatrice, Leonard. (But she doesnt know even rough birth years). Eliza married in Nottingham and moved to a village called Clipstone, near Mansfield. Her mothers name is unknown! I know this is a needle in a haystack but I've scoured the census reports for kids of those names and got nowhere.

Flick

Flick Report 14 Mar 2011 12:28


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Marriages Jun 1924 (>99%)
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Foy Thomas P Smith Nottingham 7b 913
SMITH Ada Foy Nottingham 7b 913

RStar

RStar Report 14 Mar 2011 12:32

Thanks Flick. I can order the cert but I have her sister Eliza's with the father listed. Will probably order it in case though.

Potty

Potty Report 14 Mar 2011 12:46

Have you considered this one - Charles is a shoe finisher. The children you mention could have been born after 1901. Might be worth following up on the 1911:

1901 England Census
about Eliza Smith
Name: Eliza Smith
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles Smith
Mother's Name: Jane Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Stafford, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Stafford
Ecclesiastical parish: Stafford St Mary
Town: Stafford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Stafford
Sub-registration district: Stafford
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Smith 38
Jane Smith 36
Florrie Smith 13
Charles Smith 10
George Smith 8
Jane Smith 6
Eliza Smith 4
Agnes Smith 2


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Mar 2011 12:58

Following on from Potty...........


1911 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Agnes
Address: 9 Dottell St Stafford

SMITH, Charles Head Married M 49 1862 Shoe Finisher Nantwich Cheshire VIEW
SMITH, Jane Wife Married
24 years F 48 1863 Shoe Finisher March Cambridgeshire VIEW
SMITH, Jane Daughter Single F 16 1895 Shoe Operative Stafford Staffordshire VIEW
SMITH, Elizza Daughter F 14 1897 Shoe Operative Stafford Staffordshire VIEW
SMITH, Agnes Daughter F 12 1899 School Stafford Staffordshire VIEW
SMITH, Nellie Daughter F 8 1903 School Stafford Staffordshire VIEW
SMITH, Reggie Son M 5 1906 School Stafford Staffordshire VIEW
SMITH, Dorothy Daughter F 1 1910 School Stafford Staffordshire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
16359 Reference:
RG14PN16359 RG78PN1013 RD357 SD1 ED26 SN50

Registration District:
Stafford Sub District:
Stafford Enumeration District:
26 Parish:

RStar

RStar Report 14 Mar 2011 13:11

Potty/Flick, I wonder if it could be. There doesnt seem to be any of her siblings there which throws me a bit but the Charles/Eliza/shoe finisher bit makes sense. Theyb had 9 children, one of which had died and her name is on the census crossed out, so Im dubious that the other kids (my Isaac, Beatrice etc etc) could have been their children. I'm going to c&p this to my notes. Thankyou ladies. x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 14 Mar 2011 16:36

Hi,

who did Eliza marry please?


Dee x

jansmith

jansmith Report 14 Mar 2011 17:15

??possible Foy death's
Thomas P Foy
Death Registration Month/Year: 1968
Age at death (estimated): 73
Registration district: Derby
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 266

Name: Ada Foy
Birth Date: 25 Sep 1899
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1993
Age at death (estimated): 93
Registration district: Derby
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Register number: 23C
District and Subdistrict: 3941E
Entry Number: 90


BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 14 Mar 2011 18:31

Hi could some please look at the 1911 census for the surname colledge;

Free search shows;

HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE ADA F 1900 11 Basford Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE ANNIE F 1863 48 Basford Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE CHARLES M 1863 48 Basford Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE CHARLES M 1895 16 Basford Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE ELIZA F 1898 13 Basford Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE HARRY M 1907 4 Basford Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE ISAAC M 1893 18 Basford Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE MARIA F 1887 24 Basford Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE NORAH F 1890 21 Basford Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE THOMAS M 1897 14 Basford Nottinghamshire



Dee x

jansmith

jansmith Report 14 Mar 2011 18:56

here it is!!
COLLEDGE, Charles Head Married M 48 1863 Boot Repairer Brackenfield Derbyshire
COLLEDGE, Annie Wife Married
25 years F 48 1863 Arnold Nottinghamshire VIEW
COLLEDGE, Harry Son Single M 4 1907 Coal Miner Hewer Arnold Nottinghamshire
COLLEDGE, Maria Daughter Single F 24 1887 Laundry Maid Arnold Nottinghamshire
COLLEDGE, Beatrice Daughter Single F 22 1889 Hoisery Hand Finisher Arnold Nottinghamshire VIEW
COLLEDGE, Norah Daughter Single F 21 1890 Hosery Hand Cutter Out Arnold Nottinghamshire VIEW
COLLEDGE, Isaac Son Single M 18 1893 Coal Miner Gange Arnold Nottinghamshire
COLLEDGE, Charles Son Single M 16 1895 Coal Miner Gange Arnold Nottinghamshire
COLLEDGE, Thomas Son M 14 1897 Coal Miner Gange Arnold Nottinghamshire
COLLEDGE, Eliza Daughter F 13 1898 Laundry Maid Arnold Nottinghamshire
COLLEDGE, Ada Daughter F 11 1900 School Arnold Nottinghamshire
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20452 Reference:
RG14PN20452 RG78PN1225 RD429 SD5 ED6 SN24

Registration District:
Basford Sub District:
Arnold Enumeration District:
6 Parish: Arnold


Address:
High St Arnold County:
Nottinghamshire

jansmith

jansmith Report 14 Mar 2011 19:11

1901 same family
Name: Eliza College
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles College
Mother's Name: Annie College
Gender: Female
Where born: Arnold, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Arnold
Ecclesiastical parish: Daybrook St Paul
Town: Arnold
County/Island: Nottinghamshire


Household Members:
Name Age
Charles College 39
Annie College 39
Harry College 14
Maria College 14
Emma N College 11
Isaac College 9
Charles College 7
Thomas College 5
Eliza College 3
Ada College 1

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 14 Mar 2011 19:12

How very bizarre! I think Dee's on to something here!
1891 census transcription details for: Red Hill, Arnold

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2676 Folio: 60 Page: 28


Reg. District: Basford Sub District: Arnold
Parish: Arnold Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: Arnold City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Red Hill, Arnold
County: Nottinghamshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
SMITH, Charles Head Married M 28 1863 Coal Miner
Alfreton Derbyshire
SMITH, Annie Wife Married F 28 1863
Arnold Nottinghamshire
SMITH, Maria Daughter F 5 1886
Redhill Nottinghamshire
SMITH, Harry Son M 5 1886
Redhill Nottinghamshire
SMITH, Beatrice Daughter F 3 1888
Redhill Nottinghamshire
SMITH, Emma Norah Daughter F 1 1890
Redhill Nottinghamshire


1901 census transcription details for: Red Hill, Arnold

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 3158 Folio: 26 Page: 43


Reg. District: Basford Sub District: Arnold
Parish: Arnold Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: Daybrook St Pauls City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Red Hill, Arnold
County: Nottinghamshire
COLLEDGE, Charles Head Married M 39 1862 Coal Miner
Brackenfield Derbyshire
COLLEDGE, Annie Wife Married F 39 1862
Arnold Nottinghamshire
COLLEDGE, Harry Son M 14 1887 Coal Miner
Arnold Nottinghamshire
COLLEDGE, Maria Daughter F 14 1887
Arnold Nottinghamshire
COLLEDGE, Emma N Daughter F 11 1890
Arnold Nottinghamshire
COLLED Isaac Son M 9 1892
Arnold Nottinghamshire
COLLEDGE, Charles Son M 7 1894
Arnold Nottinghamshire
COLLEDGE, Thomas Son M 5 1896
Arnold Nottinghamshire
COLLEDGE, Eliza Daughter F 3 1898
Arnold Nottinghamshire
COLLEDGE, Ada Daughter F 1 1900
Arnold Nottinghamshire

Maureen

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 14 Mar 2011 19:13

Thanks Jansmith.

Well I know what I think......... anybody else of the same opinion???


Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 14 Mar 2011 19:16

I have to go now.......... want be back til tomorrow.

Keep digging whilst I'm away and I'm sure it will all fall into place.


Dee x

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 14 Mar 2011 19:28

LOL! I think the 3 of us are posting over each other.

Yes,Dee,you've got them for sure!!!

I wonder if this is where the recollection of the name Leonard come in??
Births Dec 1889 (>99%)
Smith Emma Nora Basford 7b 215

Marriages Dec 1916
Smith Emma N Vincent Basford 7b 480
Vincent Leonard Smith Basford 7b 480

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Emma Nora Vincent
Name: Emma Nora Vincent
Birth Date: 7 Nov 1889
Death Registration Month/Year: 1979
Registration district: Mansfield
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 8
Page: 0313

Maureen

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 15 Mar 2011 07:34

Well done!

Looks definately like the family but I wonder why the name change? Now that is going to be a real challenge especially when the surname Smith is involved!

Dee x

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 15 Mar 2011 11:05

How about:

1871 Ancestry
Name: Charles Colledge
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Colledge
Mother's Name: Maria Colledge
Gender: Male
Where born: Brackenfield, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: Wessington
Ecclesiastical parish: Wessington
Town: Wessington
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Ashover
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 116
Household Members:
Name Age
William Colledge 28
Maria Colledge 29
Charles Colledge 9
William Colledge 8
Thomas Colledge 6
Isaiah Colledge 11 Months
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3608; Folio: 55; Page: 20

Marriages Dec 1862
Colledge William Chesterfield 7b 897
Smith Maria Chesterfield 7b 897

Maureen

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 15 Mar 2011 11:13

Oh Maureen, you are clever!!!

Another mystery solved.


Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 15 Mar 2011 11:17

1881 England Census
about Charles College
Name: Charles College
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William College
Mother's Name: Maria College
Gender: Male
Where born: Wessington, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Arnold
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address: Redhill Knightons Cottages
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Coalminer

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Arnold
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William College 39
Maria College 39
Charles College 18
William College 17
Thomas College 14
Isaac College 12
Emma College 9
Sarah A. College 7
George C. College


MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 15 Mar 2011 11:32

Thanks,Dee! I just followed your brilliant lead....

Maureen