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15 Mar 2011 18:03 |
Oh my word I hadnt realised I had so many new replies, have been out all day today. Just reading now, will post in a min. Can I say *thankyou* to everyone who has posted.
UPDATE: This has to be my lot!! Have trawled through your amazing, wonderful work just now...thankyou so much for solving my huge mystery. Im so stunned (at how you did it as well!) that another surname was involved...how bizarre. This is brilliant, I'd thought it was a hopeless case. I will pass the info onto my aunt also, who was Eliza's granddaughter and I know she will say thankyou to you all. Am just so surprised at the College/Colledge surname, hadnt expected this! xxx
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jansmith
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15 Mar 2011 15:16 |
I did send RomanyStar a pm yesterday to come back to thread and take a look but she hasn't opened it yet
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MaureeninNY
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15 Mar 2011 11:32 |
Thanks,Dee! I just followed your brilliant lead....
Maureen
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15 Mar 2011 11:17 |
1881 England Census about Charles College Name: Charles College Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Son Father's Name: William College Mother's Name: Maria College Gender: Male Where born: Wessington, Derbyshire, England Civil parish: Arnold County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street Address: Redhill Knightons Cottages Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Coalminer Registration district: Basford Sub-registration district: Arnold ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William College 39 Maria College 39 Charles College 18 William College 17 Thomas College 14 Isaac College 12 Emma College 9 Sarah A. College 7 George C. College
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BatMansDaughter
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15 Mar 2011 11:13 |
Oh Maureen, you are clever!!!
Another mystery solved.
Dee x
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MaureeninNY
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15 Mar 2011 11:05 |
How about:
1871 Ancestry Name: Charles Colledge Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Colledge Mother's Name: Maria Colledge Gender: Male Where born: Brackenfield, Derbyshire, England Civil parish: Wessington Ecclesiastical parish: Wessington Town: Wessington County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Registration district: Chesterfield Sub-registration district: Ashover ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Household schedule number: 116 Household Members: Name Age William Colledge 28 Maria Colledge 29 Charles Colledge 9 William Colledge 8 Thomas Colledge 6 Isaiah Colledge 11 Months Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3608; Folio: 55; Page: 20
Marriages Dec 1862 Colledge William Chesterfield 7b 897 Smith Maria Chesterfield 7b 897
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BatMansDaughter
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15 Mar 2011 07:34 |
Well done!
Looks definately like the family but I wonder why the name change? Now that is going to be a real challenge especially when the surname Smith is involved!
Dee x
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MaureeninNY
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14 Mar 2011 19:28 |
LOL! I think the 3 of us are posting over each other.
Yes,Dee,you've got them for sure!!!
I wonder if this is where the recollection of the name Leonard come in?? Births Dec 1889 (>99%) Smith Emma Nora Basford 7b 215
Marriages Dec 1916 Smith Emma N Vincent Basford 7b 480 Vincent Leonard Smith Basford 7b 480
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Emma Nora Vincent Name: Emma Nora Vincent Birth Date: 7 Nov 1889 Death Registration Month/Year: 1979 Registration district: Mansfield Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 8 Page: 0313
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BatMansDaughter
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14 Mar 2011 19:16 |
I have to go now.......... want be back til tomorrow.
Keep digging whilst I'm away and I'm sure it will all fall into place.
Dee x
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BatMansDaughter
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14 Mar 2011 19:13 |
Thanks Jansmith.
Well I know what I think......... anybody else of the same opinion???
Dee x
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MaureeninNY
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14 Mar 2011 19:12 |
How very bizarre! I think Dee's on to something here! 1891 census transcription details for: Red Hill, Arnold
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 2676 Folio: 60 Page: 28
Reg. District: Basford Sub District: Arnold Parish: Arnold Enum. District: 4 Ecclesiastical District: Arnold City/Municipal Borough: Address: Red Hill, Arnold County: Nottinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SMITH, Charles Head Married M 28 1863 Coal Miner Alfreton Derbyshire SMITH, Annie Wife Married F 28 1863 Arnold Nottinghamshire SMITH, Maria Daughter F 5 1886 Redhill Nottinghamshire SMITH, Harry Son M 5 1886 Redhill Nottinghamshire SMITH, Beatrice Daughter F 3 1888 Redhill Nottinghamshire SMITH, Emma Norah Daughter F 1 1890 Redhill Nottinghamshire
1901 census transcription details for: Red Hill, Arnold
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 3158 Folio: 26 Page: 43
Reg. District: Basford Sub District: Arnold Parish: Arnold Enum. District: 1 Ecclesiastical District: Daybrook St Pauls City/Municipal Borough: Address: Red Hill, Arnold County: Nottinghamshire COLLEDGE, Charles Head Married M 39 1862 Coal Miner Brackenfield Derbyshire COLLEDGE, Annie Wife Married F 39 1862 Arnold Nottinghamshire COLLEDGE, Harry Son M 14 1887 Coal Miner Arnold Nottinghamshire COLLEDGE, Maria Daughter F 14 1887 Arnold Nottinghamshire COLLEDGE, Emma N Daughter F 11 1890 Arnold Nottinghamshire COLLED Isaac Son M 9 1892 Arnold Nottinghamshire COLLEDGE, Charles Son M 7 1894 Arnold Nottinghamshire COLLEDGE, Thomas Son M 5 1896 Arnold Nottinghamshire COLLEDGE, Eliza Daughter F 3 1898 Arnold Nottinghamshire COLLEDGE, Ada Daughter F 1 1900 Arnold Nottinghamshire
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14 Mar 2011 19:11 |
1901 same family Name: Eliza College Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Charles College Mother's Name: Annie College Gender: Female Where born: Arnold, Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: Arnold Ecclesiastical parish: Daybrook St Paul Town: Arnold County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Household Members: Name Age Charles College 39 Annie College 39 Harry College 14 Maria College 14 Emma N College 11 Isaac College 9 Charles College 7 Thomas College 5 Eliza College 3 Ada College 1
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14 Mar 2011 18:56 |
here it is!! COLLEDGE, Charles Head Married M 48 1863 Boot Repairer Brackenfield Derbyshire COLLEDGE, Annie Wife Married 25 years F 48 1863 Arnold Nottinghamshire VIEW COLLEDGE, Harry Son Single M 4 1907 Coal Miner Hewer Arnold Nottinghamshire COLLEDGE, Maria Daughter Single F 24 1887 Laundry Maid Arnold Nottinghamshire COLLEDGE, Beatrice Daughter Single F 22 1889 Hoisery Hand Finisher Arnold Nottinghamshire VIEW COLLEDGE, Norah Daughter Single F 21 1890 Hosery Hand Cutter Out Arnold Nottinghamshire VIEW COLLEDGE, Isaac Son Single M 18 1893 Coal Miner Gange Arnold Nottinghamshire COLLEDGE, Charles Son Single M 16 1895 Coal Miner Gange Arnold Nottinghamshire COLLEDGE, Thomas Son M 14 1897 Coal Miner Gange Arnold Nottinghamshire COLLEDGE, Eliza Daughter F 13 1898 Laundry Maid Arnold Nottinghamshire COLLEDGE, Ada Daughter F 11 1900 School Arnold Nottinghamshire RG number: RG14 Piece: 20452 Reference: RG14PN20452 RG78PN1225 RD429 SD5 ED6 SN24 Registration District: Basford Sub District: Arnold Enumeration District: 6 Parish: Arnold
Address: High St Arnold County: Nottinghamshire
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BatMansDaughter
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14 Mar 2011 18:31 |
Hi could some please look at the 1911 census for the surname colledge;
Free search shows;
HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE ADA F 1900 11 Basford Nottinghamshire HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE ANNIE F 1863 48 Basford Nottinghamshire HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE CHARLES M 1863 48 Basford Nottinghamshire HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE CHARLES M 1895 16 Basford Nottinghamshire HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE ELIZA F 1898 13 Basford Nottinghamshire HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE HARRY M 1907 4 Basford Nottinghamshire HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE ISAAC M 1893 18 Basford Nottinghamshire HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE MARIA F 1887 24 Basford Nottinghamshire HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE NORAH F 1890 21 Basford Nottinghamshire HOUSEHOLD COLLEDGE THOMAS M 1897 14 Basford Nottinghamshire
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14 Mar 2011 17:15 |
??possible Foy death's Thomas P Foy Death Registration Month/Year: 1968 Age at death (estimated): 73 Registration district: Derby Inferred County: Derbyshire Volume: 3a Page: 266
Name: Ada Foy Birth Date: 25 Sep 1899 Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1993 Age at death (estimated): 93 Registration district: Derby Inferred County: Derbyshire Register number: 23C District and Subdistrict: 3941E Entry Number: 90
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BatMansDaughter
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14 Mar 2011 16:36 |
Hi,
who did Eliza marry please?
Dee x
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RStar
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14 Mar 2011 13:11 |
Potty/Flick, I wonder if it could be. There doesnt seem to be any of her siblings there which throws me a bit but the Charles/Eliza/shoe finisher bit makes sense. Theyb had 9 children, one of which had died and her name is on the census crossed out, so Im dubious that the other kids (my Isaac, Beatrice etc etc) could have been their children. I'm going to c&p this to my notes. Thankyou ladies. x
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14 Mar 2011 12:58 |
Following on from Potty...........
1911 census - household transcription Person: SMITH, Agnes Address: 9 Dottell St Stafford SMITH, Charles Head Married M 49 1862 Shoe Finisher Nantwich Cheshire VIEW SMITH, Jane Wife Married 24 years F 48 1863 Shoe Finisher March Cambridgeshire VIEW SMITH, Jane Daughter Single F 16 1895 Shoe Operative Stafford Staffordshire VIEW SMITH, Elizza Daughter F 14 1897 Shoe Operative Stafford Staffordshire VIEW SMITH, Agnes Daughter F 12 1899 School Stafford Staffordshire VIEW SMITH, Nellie Daughter F 8 1903 School Stafford Staffordshire VIEW SMITH, Reggie Son M 5 1906 School Stafford Staffordshire VIEW SMITH, Dorothy Daughter F 1 1910 School Stafford Staffordshire VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 16359 Reference: RG14PN16359 RG78PN1013 RD357 SD1 ED26 SN50 Registration District: Stafford Sub District: Stafford Enumeration District: 26 Parish:
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14 Mar 2011 12:46 |
Have you considered this one - Charles is a shoe finisher. The children you mention could have been born after 1901. Might be worth following up on the 1911:
1901 England Census about Eliza Smith Name: Eliza Smith Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Charles Smith Mother's Name: Jane Smith Gender: Female Where born: Stafford, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Stafford Ecclesiastical parish: Stafford St Mary Town: Stafford County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Stafford Sub-registration district: Stafford ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 19 Household Members: Name Age Charles Smith 38 Jane Smith 36 Florrie Smith 13 Charles Smith 10 George Smith 8 Jane Smith 6 Eliza Smith 4 Agnes Smith 2
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14 Mar 2011 12:32 |
Thanks Flick. I can order the cert but I have her sister Eliza's with the father listed. Will probably order it in case though.
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