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Looking for a birth for Bridget - only found an Alice and an Ellen

the 1891 cencus has william with all children and wife sarah in newcastle surname spelt nevies.

she died in 1892 could she be a second wife or bridget.
my grandfather was robert on all cencus and marriage but was william on birth and death.

All deaths, whatever the cause should be registered, even when the persons name is not know. For instance, in 1891 there are 829 people registered as "Unknown"!

On the census, inmates of some Asylums are just listed by the initials but I can't find a B V in 1891. Is William shown as a widower in 1891?

Hi Caroline,

I'm afraid at this point in time I haven't any idea who Sarah was, all I can tell you is that as far as I'm aware I haven't got a Sarah on my tree, or as a 2nd wife?

Hi Barbara, So if I put in "Unknown" Vevers would that work? i never even thought of that, too busy trying out different ways of spelling Vevers!

Well it's 11.30pm here now so I'm afraid my bed is calling me...

Thank you both ever so much for your input, I really appreciate your thoughts and help.

Joy :-)

Perhaps the person registering did not know her name and she was registered as unknown?

hi joy

who was sarah in the 1891 cencus and died 1892 a second wife.

I was wondering... Would there be any specific reason as to why a person can't be found under the normal "Deaths"? Such as a Suicide or Murder. You can tell I'm getting desperate now... The way things are going, my death will be registered before I ever find Bridget Vevers!

Joy :-)

Joy

they could well have done

But in the UK it was often a way to reduce the cost of a wedding ................ Banns had to be called for 3 weeks preceding the marriage in the parish church of each person, I think that is still the case. AND one had to pay for the Banns to be called.

When you look at England and Wales marriage certificates, it is amazing how many brides and grooms lived at the same address.

In most cases, they weren't already living together, just that it was cheaper if you had the Banns called in only one church!


I got married at my OH's church, but also had the Banns called at the church in the Parish I lived in .............. that meant I didn't have to find an address in his parish.

We chose his church not only it was his parish church, but also because it was a lovely little church way out in the country, parts of it dated back to the Normans. It has a lych gate and is surrounded by yew trees. I hadn't been to my parish church for many years, and really disliked the vicar!



sylvia

Hi Caroline,

You are correct. I've just looked at their Marriage Cert and they were married 15th Aug. 1896, in the Parish Church of St. Silas(?) in Byker, they would have had to have lived in the area, for at least the reading of the Banns, to have been married in a church? William has given his address as 57 Church Street and Margaret as 6 Stephen Street. The witnesses Names don't ring a bell either.

I was wondering if they did the same thing as i did when I got married? I put my Girlfriends address down as my Home address just so i could get married in the same church as most of my Ancestors were married in.
Maybe they did the same whilst living in Benwell? Not knowing if Bridget was dead or not?

Unfortunately that doesn't help me with finding either Bridget Vevers Death or daughter Mary, born to Margaret Vevers!

Thanks again Caroline.

Joy :-)

hi joy

The family i found in 1851 in carlisle under the name kirpin would be the correct family as the males name was smith from ireland.

I also rechecked marriages on freebmd.a william james vevers married in carlisle 1898 to either jane little or annie harrington. a william vevrs married newcastle 1896
to either margaret little or elizabeth cook i think the correct one is the 1896 marriage not 1898.

let me know what you think.

My goodness, you have all been very busy whilst I have been asleep, thank you so very much...

William Vevers did remarry in 1898 to Margaret Little from Scotland.
They had a daughter Mary born around 1901 - she's another one of the family that has "disappeared" on me between the 1901 and the 1911 Census!

James Toward Vevers, my Grandfather, was born in 1881, 4th Qtr,
I have searched for Bridgets Death from 1881 right up to 1911 without success.

I thought Bridget Veness could have been my Gt. Grandmother as my Bridget's father, Smith Tarpey also died of MND and I found him in Gateshead, miles away from Carlisle where he lived in a "Lunatic Asylum" which I think was also classed as a hospital in those days?

The marriage between William and Margaret took place in Newcastle. Margaret had been working in Northumberland for a while before they were married and obviously William had been living in Newcastle for a good while too.

The death of Bridget in 1879 is not my Bridget, it's too early.

I have been looking for Bridget Vevers death other than in Ncle., but nothing has "Clicked" yet.

Thank you all ever so much for your help, I truly appreciate it. Now I must go and have my breakfast, or at least a cup of tea before I do anything else.

william married margaret little in 1896 in newcastle she was from scotland they are on the 1901 cencus with williams son james toward in newcastle.

Looking at the 1911 census there appears to be two possible William Vevers. One, who is a bricklayer, has a daughter called Mary which may be the one mentioned in the opening request. If this is the same one then her mother is Marget and she has been married 15 years, which would not fit in with the marriage of 1898. Also she came from Scotland. Could it be if this were the same one that a death of Bridget and the second marriage of William Vevers took place in Scotland......I know my imagination is working overtime- Jle

i think i have found the family in 1891 under the name nevies

samuel on the cencus is toward if you look at the original wife sarah died 1892 and richard 1893.

i cannot find the birth of bridget and sisters ann catherine and elizabeth.

could sarah be bridget

i found a entry in 1851 under kirpin could be the family.

Joy
You say Bridget is not on the 1891 census.
Does that mean that you have the rest of the family?

from her old thread

James Toward Vevers and Mary Ethel Lee are my Grandparents

Whilst I know you are looking for the death of Bridget, could you confirm who William Vevers married in 1898 ?. -Jle

Thank you all so very much for putting me right, at least now I know I don't have to send for a Cert. for her...

I know Bridget must have died before the 1891 Census as she is not on it, plus she would have died with what they would call nowadays a Motor Neurone Disease. My Grandmother told my Mother that Bridget died of it, and apparently the females of the family that die of it only last for about 4 > 5 yrs after the age of 48.

I can't find her Death anywhere and it's a complete mystery to me, that's why I've been trying different variations of her name. I don't honestly know where to go now?

Well it's 20 to1 in the morning here, well past my bed time. I'm very grateful for the all the help. Thank you.

Joy :-)

William Vevers 1871 Carlisle Cumbria, Cumberland
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Bridget Tarpey
Name: Bridget Tarpey
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Carlisle
County: Cumbria, Cumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 771 (click to see others on page

and finally, here she is in 1881


1881 Census

Name: Bridget Veness
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William Veness
Gender: Female
Where born: Rotherhithe

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 8 Cadbury Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey

William Veness 31
Bridget Veness 31
Ellen J. Veness 1
Ellen O. Halloran 62 Mother 99%)

O'HALLORAN Bridget St. Olave 1d 412
VENESS William St. Olave 1d 412





so I am afraid that Bridget Veness is not your Bridget Vevers






Have you considered that the marriage just broke up, they separated, and then William could have married bigamously


No-one would know, you did not then have to produce proof of death of previous spouse .......... and divorce was extremely expensive and rarely attainable for the ordinary person.




sylvia