Genealogy Chat

My friends going to take joans small birth cert to the reg office and ask if they can buy the full one.

so did Sidney and Gertrude officially adopt her then?


or did she just assume their name



I'll delete that marriage information now, she's still alive



sylvia

that's a great idea!

No one knows even Joan if she WAS adopted.

My friend said that years ago something horrible happened to Joan and she put a block on her younger years.

She said today that she THINKS that maybe she was evacuated to sidney and gertrudes and they kept her,

This is going to be really difficult then ........... 'cos if she's blocked it out, then she won't be able to confirma anything without it causing more problems.


sylvia

There's someone on here (I think she might be called Geraldine but I can't be sure) who would be able to tell you the exact wording on an adoption certificate and how it differs from a birth cert.

I think.....a birth cert has the wording *from register in my keeping* whereas an adoption cert doesn't.......but I can't be certain now. :-((

I wish I'd kept a note of it. :-(((

Mary

Nudge out of interest

I have been looking for Geraldine on old posts....found the following...


Geraldine Report as Abuse 12th Feb 2011
If the person was formally adopted the birth cert will be amended and the word 'Adopted' written in the far right column.

Well it doesnt have that so will have to wait and see if the girls get anything after asking at the reg office.

This should be a lesson for everyone...ask ASK ASK! before it's too late and always take a paper and pen to a family funeral LOL

Have fun

Gerri x

Update...

The 2 daughters have been talking to Mum joan again.

Today Joan says the name GREENALL/GREENHALL keeps ringing a bell.
She thinks thats what her name was. She also thinks it was Manchester and Salford areas.

So!

I found this...
Joans birthday is August 1933.
Joan GREENHALL (yes with an 'H') maybe mum Jessie was using her posh voice? lol
1933 Q4
Salford
8d-287
MMN GREENHALL

I looked for a Jessie Greenall birth and came up with
Jessie Greenall
1904 Q4
Salford
8d-184

Then i looked for the younger boy Roy Greenall
Found this..
Roy Greenall
1942 Q2
Manchester
8d-131
MMN Greenall

Joan also said today that Roy must be abt 70 this year.
Joans 78.

I'm going to phone some reg offices tomorrow and ask abt that silly little birth cert of Joans and see what they have to say abt why no place of birth was put on it.
Was she adopted by Sydney and Gertrude Porter? Is this why no info on the birth cert? and can we buy her original cert....

Once thats done we will order those other certs to confirm.

Watch this space....

Gerri x

Gerri


that looks promising!



sylvia

I don't think the word adopted is on the short certs, but they do usually list a registration district on them.

See here:

http://www.genometree.com/images/birth-certificate-copy.jpg

Rose

Possible marriage for Jessie:

Marriages Jun 1944

GREENALL Jessie Sadler Manchester 8d 530
SADLER William E Greenall Manchester 8d 530

Rose

Thankyou Rose I'll keep a note of that Marriage....just in case.

I have ordered the 1933 Q4 birth cert for Joan Greenhall...I couldnt resist! lol

Fingers crossed the Mother is Jessie.

Gerri x

Certs arrived! and YES we we have the right one yipppeeee doooooo!

Mother Jessie Greenhall no father.
Joans address was 91 Eccles old road Salford
Mother Jessie is a domestic servant of 18 Dalton Street Salford..

Now heres another puzzel.....

Where it says signature description and residence of informant...
C.A.A.Hankins
Occupier of 91 Eccles Old Road,Salford 6.
I wonder who that is???



Joan was born in Aug but birth not reg till 19th October!
Thats 10 weeks???

On the side it says...Adopted Which we sorta knew anyway.

So...recap...

Joan remembers being in a childrens home.
Then being evacuated and ending up with Sidney and gertrude Porter.
Joan gets a visitor ...
A lady called Jessie.
Jessie asks Joan if she wants to come back home with her....Joan says no.
So...
Sidney and Gertrude adopted her...

SORTED! ...or is it? lol

Thanks everyone :-))

EDIT
Been thinking...
Maybe this is why the 'h' was added cos it wasnt Joans Mum that reg the birth.
Joans adament that theres no 'h'

Off to investgate Roy now.

There was a Cyril Arthur A Hankins in Salford in from 1926 to at least 1942.

Rose

Thanks for that Rose.
I also found a Marriage...



Cyril A A Hankins
Spouse: Frances E.A. Preece
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1942
Registration district: Salford
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 1121
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

Rose

How did you come up with the 1926 for Cyril??

Gerri

He married Florence E Lewis and there was a child born in Salford in 1926.

Rose

Oh! I see!

So maybe that Marriage i found was a 2nd Marriage...

Thanks for getting back Rose

x

EDIT
Blimey! he diddnt hang about....Florence died 1941.

I checked out and went back abit on Cyril A.A.Hankins.

His father Wallace Hankins occupation in 1901 was....
Relieving officer and registra.

Maybe Cyril had the same occupation....

BTW...I have ordered today the birth cert for Roy Greenall 1942
also..the marriage that Rose found for Jessie in 1944.

A WHOLE week of waiting again!!!!!
I hate this hobby! lol