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Clarice K M Westaway 1916 Totnes Devon

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patchem

patchem Report 15 Sep 2013 09:33

Just for info, think this is family with Mabel in 1911:

1911 England Census
W Mugford Age in 1911: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male
Birth Place: Totnes, Devon Civil Parish: Paignton County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: Colley End, Paignton, Devon
Marital Status: Married 3 years
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration District: Totnes
Registration District Number: 273 Sub-registration District: Paignton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household Schedule Number: 270 Piece: 12792
W Mugford 35
xxxxxxM Mugford 29 Marldon
Queene Mugford 4
Doris Mugford 2
W Mugford 7/12
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 12792; Schedule Number: 270.

Added:

Sorry Penny, did not refresh.

Susan has Mabel born Marldon in her tree

Penny

Penny Report 15 Sep 2013 08:53

1911
Name:
Mabel Mugford

Birth Place:
Abbots Kerswell, Devon

as was Mabel Searl. not even sure where Westaway comes into it - unless its the wrong couple in 1911
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 12793; Schedule Number: 165.
or
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 12792; Schedule Number: 270.

Two William Mugford with wife mabel within a spit of each other - both Colley end Paignton

Reggie

Reggie Report 15 Sep 2013 08:46

Birth registered as Westaway..see freebmd.............

The 'M' in her name presumably pays lip service to the father's surname.................

However, it's her life after 1952 which is in question................

Penny

Penny Report 15 Sep 2013 08:42

Which surname was she born with? \Were her parents married?

Confused by this


Name:Mabel Searle
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1901
Registration District:Totnes
Inferred County:Devon
Volume Number:5b
Page Number:409

William Henry Mugford <<<<<
Clara Powlesland
Mabel Searle <<<<<
Richard Josling Squance

Reggie

Reggie Report 14 Sep 2013 23:34

It doesn't appear that either marriage produced any offspring............

Reggie

Reggie Report 14 Sep 2013 23:29

Why must there have been a divorce?

Soper could have died.......unless you have the cert of the second marriage and it says that the first marriage had been dissolved

Have you looked for info using freebmd?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Sep 2013 19:01

She must have lived with him pre marriage


Name: Ferdinand K Gabathuler
Spouse Surname: Gabathuler Or Soper Or Westaway
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1952
Registration District: Marylebone
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 5d
Page Number: 533
Find Spouse: Name: Clarice K Gabathuler




Susan

Susan Report 14 Sep 2013 18:51

i have not got any furthr with this thread. is there anywhere to find records of divorces as she must have divorced soper to marry gabathuler.

Pam

Pam Report 8 Aug 2011 09:06

You should be able to check for any children on www.freebmd.org.uk

patchem

patchem Report 7 Aug 2011 21:43

There does not appear to be a death for him, either, so death in another country, or change of name looks likely.

Added:
There is a patent applied for by a Ferdinand Gabathuler in Switzerland in 1989.
I am not suggesting the 2 are the same, just extra information.

Susan

Susan Report 7 Aug 2011 21:17

she may also have gone by the name Mugford as some of the sisters did when it suited them...
Dont know what nationality he was so i suppose she could have died outside the uk?

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 7 Aug 2011 21:09

Name Clarice K Westaway
Year of Marriage 1935
Quarter of Marriage Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Totnes
Registration County Devon
Spouse's Surname Soper
Volume Number 5B
Volume Page 463

Spouse Match: Clarice K WESTAWAY married William J SOPER

Name William J Soper
Year of Marriage 1935
Quarter of Marriage Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Totnes
Registration County Devon
Spouse's Surname Westaway
Volume Number 5B
Volume Page 463

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 7 Aug 2011 21:09

EDIT - This one is wrong because I didn't realise you had given her date of birth as 1916

The only possible death I can see in 1967 would be this one (do you think they could have shortened the surname to make it sound more English):-

Name: GABB, Clarice
Registration District: Hillingdon
County: Middlesex
Year of Registration: 1967
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 65
Volume No: 5C
Page No: 352

However the quarter is wrong for a death in April.

Kath. x





PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 7 Aug 2011 21:01

Name Clarice K Gabathuler
Year of Marriage 1952
Quarter of Marriage Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Marylebone
Registration County London
Spouse's Surname Gabathuler
Volume Number 5D
Volume Page 533

Spouse Match: Clarice K GABATHULER married Ferdinand K GABATHULER

Name Ferdinand K Gabathuler
Year of Marriage 1952
Quarter of Marriage Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Marylebone
Registration County London
Spouse's Surname Gabathurler Or Soper Or Westaway
Volume Number 5D
Volume Page 533

Susan

Susan Report 7 Aug 2011 20:46

Clarice was the 6th child of Mabel Westaway and William Henry Mugford. I have a marriage for her to William Soper in Totnes 1935, a marriage to Ferdinand (Freddie) Gabathuler in 1953 in Marylbone, London. I have a photo with her date of death as 16th April 1967 but have been unable to find any record. Also if she had any children. I understand that Freddie was a ' foreign chef '.
Any help would be great
Sue