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Hi was wondering if anyone could help me i was looking for relatives on my fathers side and my great grandmother was there in the 1891 census but not there in the 1901 census then there again in 1911 census as a widow as her husband died in 1906 i can't seem to find her on any records in 1901

Who do we look for...........
Post some names and details Malcolm.
I'm sure several of us will help to look for them.

Gwyn

And if you really want to be a detective and try even harder you have to think 'outside the box' (god I hate that phrase but in Family History it really works)

Spelling - mistranscription happens all the time - so my Sell family have been found under Sell, Sall, Soll, Sale, Hell, Holl - well you get my gist.....

And often when searching less is more. So start out with just the first and surnames, year of birth =/- 5 years and place of birth,

With my Sells, I had murderd on one census, but I knew where they had been living in the previous census, so I put in the name of the youngest child on the last census I found them on and the place of birth, up they popped in another part of the country listed as Loll.......

If you really need further help, do as Gwyn says and post some details on here and there are many on here who thoroughly enjoy searching for those 'lost' ancestors.

Good luck :-D

Have sent Malcolm a p.m asking him to reply on his thread if he wants help.

Gwyn

MY great grandmothers name was christiana blackburn married to john blackburn they had 2 children as far as i know called william blackburn and elizabeth blackburn. John blackburn was born in 1869 in carlton, Christiana's maiden name was gouldthorp she was born in 1869 in stanley wrenthorpe. William blackburn was born in 1891 in leeds and elizabeth blackburn was born in 1889 is there any other information you need to help me. John blackburn died in 1906 in stanley royd hospital we have his records but there is no mention of a wife.

?? is this them in 1891

1891 census transcription details for: Lingwell Gate Lane, Stanley Cum Wrenthorpe, Outwood
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3746
Folio: 15
Page: 23
Reg. District: Wakefield
Sub District: Stanley
Parish: Stanley cum Wrenthorpe
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: Outwood
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Lingwell Gate Lane, Stanley Cum Wrenthorpe, Outwood
County: Yorkshire (West Riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BLACKBURN, John Head Married M 22 1869 Coal Miner Lofthouse, Yorkshire
BLACKBURN, Christiana Wife Married F 22 1869 Stanley, Yorkshire
BLACKBURN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 1 1890 Stanley, Yorkshire

Could this be her in 1911?

1911 census transcription details for: 6 Crossley Court Halifax
Print Close National Archive Reference:
RG14PN26459 RG78PN1528A RD496 SD5 ED8 SN202
Reg. District: Halifax
Sub District: Halifax South
Parish: Halifax
Enum. District: 8
Address: 6 Crossley Court Halifax
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BLACKBURN, Christiana Head Widower F 42 1869 Woolcomber Stanley Yorks


States she had two children

George

Marriages Jun 1889

Blackburn John ...Wakefield 9c 52
Goulthorp Christiana .... Wakefield 9c 52

1891
Name: Christiana Blackburn
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Blackburn
Gender: Female
Where born: Stanley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Stanley cum Wrenthorpe
Ecclesiastical parish: Outwood
Town: Outwood
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Wakefield
Sub-registration District: Stanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3746
Folio: 15
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
John Blackburn 22 ................coal miner
Christiana Blackburn 22
Elizabeth Blackburn 1

Is this John in 1901?

1901 census transcription details for: Rothwell Haigh, Lofthouse With Carlton, Carlton
Print Close National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 4292
Folio: 136
Page: 45
Reg. District: Wakefield
Sub District: Ardsley
Parish: Lofthouse with Carlton
Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District: Lofthouse Christ Church
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Rothwell Haigh, Lofthouse With Carlton, Carlton
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ELLIS, Edward Head Married M 48 1853 Coal Miner Hewer
Gt Arlington, Cambridgeshire
ELLIS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 55 1846
Carlton, Yorkshire
BLACKBURN, John Step Son Married M 32 1869 Coal Miner Hewer
Carlton, Yorkshire
BLACKBURN, Elizabeth Step Grand Daughter F 11 1890
Lee Moor, Yorkshire
BLACKBURN, Willie Step Grand Son M 9 1892
Lingwell Nook or Gate, Yorkshire
WARD, Martha Daughter Married F 21 1880
Carlton, Yorkshire
WARD, James A Son-In-Law Married M 26 1875 Coal Miner Labourer Top
Robin Hood, Yorkshire


George

Yes thats her in 1911 and the family in the 1891 census but i can't find the family in the 1901 census i don't know where christiana blackburn was in 1901?

hi george yes thats john in 1901 census but i dont know where his wife was in 1901 as shes on the 1911 census as a widower but no sign of her in 1901

Theres just no sign of her dont know what could of happened to her.

????????????

Name: Christiana Goldthorpe
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Wakefield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Halifax
Ecclesiastical parish: Halifax St John the Baptist
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Halifax
Sub-registration District: Halifax
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 30
Piece: 4119
Folio: 51
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Godfrey Bingley 48
Mary A Bingley 53
Christiana Goldthorpe 32 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Sorry, but I cant see her either.

George

gwyn do you think this could be the woman and if so why do you think she went back to her maiden name then back to blackburn in 1911?

Freebmd only shows one registration for that name, at that time, in that place, although as there was no penalty for non- registration there may have been others born.

If there was a breakdown in the marriage, it would be easier to pass yourself off as an unmarried cook than to explain about family, I guess.
The fact that the children are with their father at the time of census means Christiana would be free to go wherever.

Once John died, she wouldn't have to pretend anymore, so could revert to her married name and become a 'respectable widow'.

Did the children go back to her ?

Gwyn

there not with her in the 1911 census not sure where they were think william was with his grandmother not sure about elizabeth thanks for all ur help.

?????
Deaths Mar 1915

Blackburn Christiana ...45 ...Halifax 9a 753

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Elizabeth Blackburn
Name: Elizabeth Blackburn
Birth Year: abt 1889
Age: 18
Marriage or Bann Date: 16 Jun 1907
Parish: Halifax, St John the Baptist
Father's Name: John Blackburn(deceased) collier
Spouse's Name: Charles Booth
Spouse's Father's Name: John Booth

Elizabeth's address on marriage image shows....

Crossleys Court, Halifax, so perhaps she lived with Christiana until marrying.....??

Gwyn