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When you are certain it that isn't in the GRO?

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Amanda, Report 17 Aug 2013 21:33

What do you do when you have found one?

I have seen that the LDS have posted the Banns for in Wimbish, Essex in 1840.

I now know that the actual Marriage in 1840 is in the Parish Records, so it seems to be the only one missing in the GRO, small Parish so it is likely to be just the one quarter as it was the only Marriage that took place then.

Kind regards


jax Report 17 Aug 2013 21:35

Maybe they didn't actually get married??


Porkie_Pie Report 17 Aug 2013 21:41

As Jax said plus are you relying on transcriptions or have you checked the actual index images?

Try posting the details



GlitterBaby Report 17 Aug 2013 21:55

It should show as Saffron Walden

Have you just checked using christian names in case of a slight difference in spelling


KenSE Report 17 Aug 2013 22:22

For £5 you can have online access to the Essex Parish Records on SEAX for 24 Hours.

The information for marriages is the same as that on the central part of GRO certificates.


Amanda, Report 17 Aug 2013 22:24

Thank you very much for the replies.

I am helping a friend to help a lady in Aus and we got stuck!

I have the Marriage cert from Seax in Wimbish 1840.

Would be very happy if anyone wants to check that I have not got this wrong.

I have the image that I could send by PM if anyone wants to have a look.

Kind regards


MarieCeleste Report 17 Aug 2013 22:38

Hi Amanda, you could just post the details on here.


Amanda, Report 17 Aug 2013 22:46

Thank you, yes I can do that.

William Savill married Julia Moss 1st June 1840 in Wimbish, Essex.
Witnesses were James Taylor and Elizabeth Savill
They were the next Marriage in the Parish Register in July so possibly his sister.

Kind regards


Reggie Report 17 Aug 2013 22:57

Definitely not on freebmd..........unless my eyes really deceive me.


jansmith Report 17 Aug 2013 23:07

1841 ? this her

Julian Savill
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1821
Where born:
Essex, England
Civil Parish:

Robert Savill
Age:8 Mo
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1840
Where born:Essex, England
Civil Parish:Wimbish


Amanda, Report 17 Aug 2013 23:11

Hi Jan,

Thank you.

Yes that is her, she is expecting the next one by then!

Kind regards


MarieCeleste Report 17 Aug 2013 23:13

I concur with Reggie - have checked Ancestry, FreeBMD and FindMyPast - no marriage record in the index.


KenSE Report 18 Aug 2013 08:00

I suppose this entry might be relevant if there was a major transcribing error between the kocal registrar and the GRO.

Marriages Mar 1840 (>99%)
ANDREWS John Saffron Walden 12 305
CLAYDEN Rebecca Saffron Walden 12 305
MOSS Sarah Saffron Walden 12 305
SAVILLE James Saffron Walden 12 305

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 18 Aug 2013 08:25

1840 17 Jan ANDREWS John 21 bachelor This Parish MOSS Sarah 19

1840 27 Mar SAVILLE James full bachelor This Parish CLAYDEN Rebecca minor

(saw that last night Ken, if relating on above)

Chris :)

1817 Dec 14 MOSS Julia dau of John & Anne MOSS Radwinter Labourer

(if her, on below)

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 18 Aug 2013 08:41

Try contacting Uttlesford Registration Office to see if they have it. Could be it just never made it to the GRO.



KenSE Report 18 Aug 2013 08:51

Yes Chris that certainly disproves my theory.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 18 Aug 2013 09:07

(good one though Ken, am out that way later, will be thinking of the couple, lol)

Chris :)


Amanda, Report 18 Aug 2013 10:01

Thank you Chris, that is her I just wanted to see the Marriage to confirm her father's details.

Thank you Rose, that's a good idea, I think I will also send an e mail to the Essex Records Office and ask if they keep a list of known missing entries.

Kind regards


DazedConfused Report 18 Aug 2013 10:20

You say you have the Marraige cert from Seax - is it the cert or copy of the Banns. IF just the banns they may not have married then

I would suggest that they may not have married until some years later.

When ordering a Birth Certificate I would order not the eldest childs one but one of the later ones, when you can be more certain that they had eventually married.


Amanda, Report 18 Aug 2013 10:47

Thank you for the reply,

We had a Birth Cert to confirm the mothers Maiden Name.

The couple came up on the LDS website with a date in May 1840 but it didn't say what type of record it was so I went along to Kew last weekend and discovered it was the Banns and got a copy of it.
The LDS didn't have the Marriages filmed.

Yesterday I found the actual Marriage on Seax.

I have often heard of entries being missing from the GRO but it is the first time I have actually come across one.

Kind regards