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CDU Report 20 Aug 2013 22:15

Hi I have been researching my grandmothers family. Her elder brother
Robert Herbert Henry Phillips born 1883 in Rochester Kent. On Familysearch
it says he died the same year that he was born.Please could someone check
as i know this is not true.


GlitterBaby Report 20 Aug 2013 22:53

Have you checked on FreeBMD ?


GlitterBaby Report 20 Aug 2013 22:55

Both entries are listed

Do you have the correct name ?


GlitterBaby Report 20 Aug 2013 22:59

Which census have you found him on ?

When and where do you think he married or died ?


Reggie Report 21 Aug 2013 00:06

Births Sep 1883 (>99%)
PHILLIPS Robert Herbert H Medway 2a 525

Deaths Sep 1883 (>99%)
PHILLIPS Robert Herbert H 0 Medway 2a 263

What makes you say that these records are not accurate?


Reggie Report 21 Aug 2013 00:09

Who was your grandmother?


Reggie Report 21 Aug 2013 00:14

Have you perhaps got your wires crossed?


Births Jun 1888 (>99%)
PHILLIPS Robert Henry H Winchester 2c 107

Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%)
PHILLIPS Robert Henry H Southampton 2c 116

Deaths Dec 1927 (>99%)
Phillips Robert H H 39 Fylde 8e 745


CDU Report 21 Aug 2013 07:49

Hi Reggie Thank you for your help.Robert Herbert Henry Phillips born 1883
was my dad's uncle Bob. I met him as a child , i have photo's of him.
My grandmother, Roberts sister was Kathleen Lilian Phillips born 1896
I have got my info from Medway Archives sitting down at a film reader looking
at church registers. Kind regards CDU.


Reggie Report 21 Aug 2013 08:56

Births Dec 1896 (>99%)
Phillips Kathleen Lilian Medway 2a 631

Is Robert seen on any census with Kathleen?

Who were her parents?


Reggie Report 21 Aug 2013 09:00

Is this Kathleen?

1911 census

Person: PHILLIPS, Kathleen Address: 6 Garfield Road Gillingham Kent

PHILLIPS, James Head Married M 52 1859 Engine Fiiter Derbyshire Derby VIEW
PHILLIPS, Sarah Wife Married17 years F 43 1868 Kent Frindsbury VIEW
PHILLIPS, Kathleen Daughter F 14 1897 School Kent Gillingham VIEW
FARRINGTON, Catherine Niece F 6 1905 School Kent Sittingbourne VIEW
CALDICOTT, Cyril Boarder Single M 26 1885 Engine Fitter Glouster Stapleton

TWO children born in marriage.....ONE has died


Reggie Report 21 Aug 2013 09:03

1901 census

Person: PHILLIPS, Kathleen M Address: Sidney Road, Gillingham

PHILLIPS, James T Head Married M 40 1861 Steam Engine Maker
Derby, Derbyshire VIEW
PHILLIPS, Sarah Wife Married F 33 1868
Frindsbury, Kent VIEW
PHILLIPS, Kathleen M Daughter Single F 4 1897
New Brompton, Kent VIEW
LEATHER, Samuel Boarder Single M 30 1871 Engine Room Artificer R N
?, Lancashire VIEW
TURNER, John A Boarder Single M 24 1877 Engine Room Artificer R N
?, Lancashire


Reggie Report 21 Aug 2013 09:04

Marriages Sep 1893 (>99%)
Challis Sarah Medway 2a 1049
Phillips James Thomas Medway 2a 1049

Your father may indeed have had an Uncle Bob............but he was not the child who was born and died in 1883.

If you doubt the veracity of the GRO could buy the certs

What evidence have you to support your assertion that the man you met had the forenames you list?

There is nothing anywhere that I can see to back it up


Reggie Report 21 Aug 2013 09:09

Name: Robert Herbert Henry Phillips
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 22 Aug 1883
Burial Place: St. Margaret, Next Rochester, Kent County, England
Death Date:
Death Place:
Age: 0
Birth Date: 1883
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B03042-7
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1835971
Reference ID: Pg. 283 Line 2,262

You will be able to find the above on fiche at the Records Office


Reggie Report 21 Aug 2013 09:41

Marriages Jun 1914 (>99%)

Hicks George W Phillips Medway 2a 1531
PHILLIPS Kathleen L Hicks Medway 2a 1531


CDU Report 21 Aug 2013 10:02

Hi Reggie George william Hicks did marry Kathleen Lillian Phillips and had
one son George leslie Hicks , my father who past away in 1972.
St margerets is where they were baptised , so that is ok
The rest of the familys are nothing to do with me.

I have to go out now.Perhaps i could come back to you later?
Regards Cdu.


Reggie Report 21 Aug 2013 10:21

I repeat.........................who were Kathleen's parents?


CDU Report 21 Aug 2013 13:14

Hi Reggie Kathleen's parents were Robert Henry Phillips born 1854 in
Gravesend Kent. mother Annie Isabella Eaton born Sheerness Kent in
1860 they were married in 1878 at St Margarets in Rochester Kent.


GlitterBaby Report 21 Aug 2013 13:23

Can find Robert and Annie on 1881 but not so far on later census


MaureeninNY Report 21 Aug 2013 13:25

Are they those very annoying people who keep changing surnames????

1901 census transcription details for: 8, Caroline Square, Chatham
RG number: RG13
Piece: 727
Folio: 56
Page: 12
Reg. District: Medway
Sub District: Rochester and Chatham
Parish: Chatham
Enum. District: 28
Ecclesiastical District: Chatham St Pauls
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Caroline Square, Chatham
County: Kent

BRIGHT, Robert Head Married M 48 1853 Dealer (General)
Gravesend, Kent
BRIGHT, Annie Wife Married F 39 1862
Sheerness, Kent
LETCHFORD, Elizabeth Daughter Married F 19 1882
Rochester, Kent
BRIGHT, Robert Son M 15 1886
Rochester, Kent
BRIGHT, Mark Son M 13 1888
Rochester, Kent
BRIGHT, Archie Son M 10 1891
Rochester, Kent
BRIGHT, Lily Daughter F 4 1897
Rochester, Kent
BRIGHT, Albert Son M 2 1899
Rochester, Kent
1891 England Census about Mark Brooks
Name: Mark Brooks
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert Brooks
Mother's Name: Annie Brooks
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochester, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Gillingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Chatham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration District: Medway
Sub-registration District: Gillingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 665
Folio: 79
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Brooks 34
Annie Brooks 30
Annie Brooks 12
Emily Brooks 10
Alexander Brooks 5
Mark Brooks 3
Archer Brooks 1
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 665; Folio: 79; Page: 10


ChristinaS Report 21 Aug 2013 13:45

EDIT: When I started out the above 2 messages weren't there. Sorry Maureen. At least someone agrees.

Okay, so this family don't tick all the boxes, but do you think they could possibly be yours?

Afraid, try as I do, I can't get my copy * pasting to come out properley.

1901 census - Chatham - 8, Caroline Square

Robert Bright - head - 48 - Gravesend
Annie Bright - wife - 39 - Sheerness
Elizabeth Letchford - 19 - dau - mar - Rochester
Robert Bright - 15 - son -Rochester
Mark Bright - 15 - son -Rochester
Archie Bright - 10 - son - Rochester
Lily Bright - 4 - dau - Rochester
Albert Bright - 2 - son - Rochester