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Robert Herbert Henry Phillips

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Reggie

Reggie Report 22 Aug 2013 13:08

Easily done Christina.............especially with this thread.......

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 22 Aug 2013 08:21

I saw Who Do You Think You Are last night as well. I thought it very timely. I wonder if the fowl taker was Robert Henry's father, as he was a Poulterer.

Reggie - I did see the information that you'd found about Robert Herbert Henry, which is how I knew he died as a baby. Once again, I was gobbledegooked somewhere between the thoughts in my head to what I actually typed out :-)

CDU

CDU Report 21 Aug 2013 23:57

Hi Sorry i have nothing on Mark Phillips i always thought my grandmother
was the last child.

CDU

CDU Report 21 Aug 2013 23:49

Hi I am still with you on this. .So much to take in.I have just been watching
Who do you think you are Gary Lineaka .One his family stealing 6 live tame
fowls.
I have a photo of Robert Phillips in Canada with his sister Lilian Kathleen
Phillips my Grandmother and her second husband Harry lee.This must have
been in the 1940s or 1950s So would he be on a passenger list?

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 Aug 2013 23:21

My mistake................the wording of your post suggested prior knowledge..........

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 21 Aug 2013 21:59

No Reggie,no "previous dealings" that I'm aware of. (but with my memory :-S :-S :-S :-S...).

Maureen

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 Aug 2013 21:35

Maureen

It sounds as though you have had previous dealings with this....................


ChristinaS

There's no 'suppose' about Robert H H dying
see page one


ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 21 Aug 2013 19:15

Ah. I've just found another Annie Phillips charged with simple larceny at Maidstone. It was in 1876. But your Annie didn't get married until 1878, so it can't be her.

Sorry for tarnishing your family's reputation there for a while :-)

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 21 Aug 2013 19:11

And this: Rochester Court - 9th April 1888

Robert Phillips - for felonously stealing a the Parish of Frindesbury eighteen live tame fowls of the goods of Henry Coulter (12 calender months hard labour) And for a previous conviction against Robert Phillips (8 calender months hard labour)

Phillips is a common name though.

Do you have Mark's baptism records? Born in 1888, so if Robert was at the church with him just after that date, he can't have been in prison.

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 21 Aug 2013 19:06

I don't know if this is the reason for the name changes. Though, how would they both have got away? I'm not sure that would have been possible.

I'll write out what I've found anyway, and you can decide. This is from the Criminal Registers.

Maidstone - 2nd July 1891

Annie Phillips - simple larceny (3 counts) - 14 days - afterwards to be sent to a reformatory school for 5 years (for each count) Sentences to be concurrent

Robert Phillips - obtaining goods by false pretences - 5 years
- simple larceny - 5 years
- simple larceny - 5 years Sentences to be concurrent

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 21 Aug 2013 18:37

Just wanted to say that it looks as though another brother went to Canada:
Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928 about Henry Alex Phillips
Name: Henry Alex Phillips
Birth Place: England
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Father Name: Robert Phillips
Mother Name: Annie Eston
Spouse Name: Winnefred C Davis
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1893
Spouse Birth Place: England
Spouse Father Name: James Davis
Spouse Mother Name: Lizzie Spencer
Marriage Date: 12 May 1914
Marriage County or District:Carleton


Maureen

CDU

CDU Report 21 Aug 2013 15:40

Hi Chistinas Medway city ark is only 10 mins. away from my home by car.
So i will be down there next week to research the Phillips family.
Thank you again all of you for your help.
Regards CDU

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 21 Aug 2013 15:26

As you've found the baptism for Robert Herbert Henry, I suppose he must have died so they called their next son Robert in 1886.

Did you know you can look at the church records for Medway free online on Medway City Ark.

Some people did change their surnames - for all sorts of reasons. One of the most common reasons for multiple changes was because they didn't want to be found.

CDU

CDU Report 21 Aug 2013 15:09

HiGlitterbaby,Maureen,Christinas.
What a mix up Some of them match . My lot from church baptism are
Robert Henry Phillips 1854
Annie Isabella Phillips [Eaton] 1860

Helen Mary Maude Phillips 1879
Robert Herbert Henry Phillips 1883
Emily Elizabeth Phillips 1887
Archibald Phillips 1890
Kathleen Lilian Phillips 1896

Kathleen swiched her name round to Lillian Kathleen in 1922 and sailed
of to Canada.
Did people change their surnames and what for?


ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 21 Aug 2013 14:43

The only other child I've been able to find on the 1911 census is:

Borstal, Rochester

Archibald Phillips - inmate - 20 - casual labourer - Chatham, Kent

Hi Maureen :-D

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 21 Aug 2013 13:56

1911 census transcription details for: 18 King Street Chatham
RG14PN3900 RG78PN149 RD47 SD1 ED16 SN314
Reg. District: Medway
Sub District: Rochester and Chatham
Parish: Chatham
Enum. District: 16
Address: 18 King Street Chatham
County: Kent

GOLDSMITH, Francies Head Married
38 years F 53 1858 Washerwoman Kent Chatham
GOLDSMITH, Albert Son M 20 1891 General Labourer Kent Chatham
GOLDSMITH, Ruth Daughter F 11 1900 School Kent Chatham
PHILLIP, Annie Isabela Boarder Married
32 years F 50 1861 Hawkers General Kent Chatham
PHILLIP, Albert Edward(Robert Henry on image) Boarder Married M 60 1851 Hawkers General Kent Chatham
They say they've had 8 children-only 2 still living???? I wonder if they got mixed up?
PHILLIP, Albert Edward Boarder M 13 1898 School Kent Chatham


Maureen

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 21 Aug 2013 13:47

LOL!! We're on the same wavelength again.Christina.

Maureen :-D

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 21 Aug 2013 13:45

EDIT: When I started out the above 2 messages weren't there. Sorry Maureen. At least someone agrees.

Okay, so this family don't tick all the boxes, but do you think they could possibly be yours?

Afraid, try as I do, I can't get my copy * pasting to come out properley.

1901 census - Chatham - 8, Caroline Square

Robert Bright - head - 48 - Gravesend
Annie Bright - wife - 39 - Sheerness
Elizabeth Letchford - 19 - dau - mar - Rochester
Robert Bright - 15 - son -Rochester
Mark Bright - 15 - son -Rochester
Archie Bright - 10 - son - Rochester
Lily Bright - 4 - dau - Rochester
Albert Bright - 2 - son - Rochester

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 21 Aug 2013 13:25

Are they those very annoying people who keep changing surnames????


1901 census transcription details for: 8, Caroline Square, Chatham
RG number: RG13
Piece: 727
Folio: 56
Page: 12
Reg. District: Medway
Sub District: Rochester and Chatham
Parish: Chatham
Enum. District: 28
Ecclesiastical District: Chatham St Pauls
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Caroline Square, Chatham
County: Kent

BRIGHT, Robert Head Married M 48 1853 Dealer (General)
Gravesend, Kent
BRIGHT, Annie Wife Married F 39 1862
Sheerness, Kent
LETCHFORD, Elizabeth Daughter Married F 19 1882
Rochester, Kent
BRIGHT, Robert Son M 15 1886
Rochester, Kent
BRIGHT, Mark Son M 13 1888
Rochester, Kent
BRIGHT, Archie Son M 10 1891
Rochester, Kent
BRIGHT, Lily Daughter F 4 1897
Rochester, Kent
BRIGHT, Albert Son M 2 1899
Rochester, Kent
/////////
1891 England Census about Mark Brooks
Name: Mark Brooks
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert Brooks
Mother's Name: Annie Brooks
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochester, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Gillingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Chatham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration District: Medway
Sub-registration District: Gillingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 665
Folio: 79
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Brooks 34
Annie Brooks 30
Annie Brooks 12
Emily Brooks 10
Alexander Brooks 5
Mark Brooks 3
Archer Brooks 1
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 665; Folio: 79; Page: 10

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 21 Aug 2013 13:23

Can find Robert and Annie on 1881 but not so far on later census