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Divorces and Wills...

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David

David Report 10 Sep 2013 17:25

Thanks, Inky - that's most helpful. Thanks for taking the time!

Inky1

Inky1 Report 10 Sep 2013 16:17

Blame me..............................
Having typed the 'l' once I carried on.
There are 16 other Shouksmith's on Ancestry Wills & Administrations 1858-1966.

Name: Jane Shouksmith
Death: 16 May 1916 - Yorkshire, England
Other: 3 Jul 1916 - Yorkshire, England

Name: John Henry Shouksmith
Death: 11 Apr 1924 - Yorkshire, England
Other: 25 Jun 1924 - Yorkshire, England

Name: James Walter Shouksmith
Death: 23 Dec 1929 - Yorkshire, England
Other: 15 Jan 1929 - Yorkshire, England

Name: Edith Mary Shouksmith
Death: 25 Jan 1932 - Yorkshire, England
Other: 11 Mar 1932 - Yorkshire, England

Name: Emma Wiggins Shouksmith
Death: 15 Jan 1933 - Yorkshire, England
Other: 11 Feb 1933 - Yorkshire, England

Name: Harry Shouksmith
Death: 3 Jun 1934 - Sunderland, Cumberland, England
Other: 17 Aug 1934 - Durham, England

Name: Edith Alice Shouksmith
Death: 17 May 1938 - Yorkshire, England
Other: 12 Jul 1938 - Yorkshire, England

Name: Ethel Maud Shouksmith
Death: 21 Mar 1944 - Yorkshire, England
Other: 11 Jul 1944 - Yorkshire, England

Name: Sarah Shouksmith
Death: 20 Sep 1948 - Yorkshire, England
Other: 23 Oct 1948 - Yorkshire, England

Name: Dora Shouksmith
Death: 26 Jul 1953 - Yorkshire, England
Other: 30 Sep 1953 - Yorkshire, England

Name: John Joseph Shouksmith
Death: 31 Jan 1955 - Leeds, England
Other: 17 Mar 1955 - Yorkshire, England

Name: Florence Shouksmith
Death: 27 Jan 1957 - Leeds, England
Other: 19 Feb 1957 - Yorkshire, England

Name: Lilian Shouksmith
Death: 5 Jul 1959 - Leeds, England
Other: 5 Nov 1959 - London, England

Name: Albert Shouksmith
Death: 26 May 1960 - Scarborough
Other: 16 Jun 1960 - Yorkshire, England

Name: Margaret Shouksmith
Death: 11 Oct 1961 - Sunderland
Other: 30 Nov 1961 - Durham, England

Name: Frances Elizabeth Shouksmith
Death: 5 May 1963 - Yorkshire, England
Other: 14 Jun 1963 - Yorkshire, England

David

David Report 10 Sep 2013 12:58

Thanks, Jax...

jax

jax Report 10 Sep 2013 12:53

Ok this is from GR I did not pay.....selected births, marriages and deaths put in the surname Shouksmith....then clicked on death and burials on the left hand side and it gave these three near the top

MARY SHOUKSMITH National Burial Index for England & Wales Collections fromGreat BritainCountryEnglandCountyYorkshire, Yorkshire (East Riding)Year1834Age75Year Of Death1834


Transcription

JONAS SHOUKSMITH National Burial Index for England & Wales Collections fromGreat BritainCountryEnglandCountyYorkshire, Yorkshire (East Riding)Year1818Age57Year Of Death1818


Transcription

THOMAS SHOUKSMITH National Burial Index for England & Wales Collections fromGreat BritainCountryEnglandCountyYorkshire, Yorkshire (East Riding)Year1821Age0Year Of Death1821

David

David Report 10 Sep 2013 11:02

Someone's transcribed them incorrectly, then - there's never been an 'l' before the 'k'. There was sometimes a 'c' there, up to about 1815-ish.

Thanks for the help, everyone...

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Sep 2013 10:38

I don't think anyone has posted info from GR.

............and any info posted is copied accurately from the transcribed records

If you wish to find info on FMP, you will have to subscribe to the site

David

David Report 10 Sep 2013 10:08

Yes, Reggie - I'm perfectly well aware of that, but thanks for taking the time to remind me.

What remains, though, is that you, Jax and maybe others seem to be able to access data here/FMP that I can't.

Thanks, Inky - is the family name really spelled 'Shoulksmith' in those records?

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Sep 2013 09:30

You have to understand, David, that not all info is on line..............it's a simple fact of life.



Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Sep 2013 09:26

Not the ones you specify..........but they may be 'yours' somehwhere along the line

Found on FMP.................and should, therefore, be on GR......................owned by the same Company

Parish Records Collection burial
First name(s): Jonas
Last name: SHOUKSMITH
Date of burial 25 Jan 1818
Age at death: 57
Calculated year of birth: 1761
Place of burial York
Dedication: All Saints North ST
County: Yorkshire (East Riding)


Mary Last name: SHOUKSMITH
Date of burial 9 Mar 1834
Age at death: 75
Calculated year of birth: 1759
Place of burial York
Dedication: St Mary Bishophill Senior
County: Yorkshire (East Riding)Notes:
York St Mary Bishophill Senior:


Parish Records Collection burial

First name(s): Thomas
Last name: SHOUKSMITH
Date of burial 26 Feb 1821
Age at death: 10 Weeks
Calculated year of birth: 1821
Place of burial YorkDedication: All Saints North ST
County: Yorkshire (East Riding)

Denomination: Anglican Coverage 1780 - 1837 Number of entries: 1,427
Record source: National Burial Index Data provider: City of York & District Family History Society

Inky1

Inky1 Report 10 Sep 2013 08:31

Expanding the data provided by Jax:-

THOMAS (Effects under £450)
late of the City of York Plumber and Glazier deceased who died 31 January 1861 at the said City was proved at YORK by the oath of Ann Shoulksmith of the said City Widow of the Relict and the sole Executrix.

ANN (Effects under £300)
The Will of Ann Shoulksmith late of the City of York Widow deceased who died 22 May 1864 at the City aforesaid was proved at York by the oath of John Shoulksmith of the City aforesaid Whitesmith one of the surviving Executors.

JOHN (Effects £4463 11s 10p)
of Oak House Dringhouses ainsty of York who died 6 September 1915 Probate York 2 December to Joshua Watkinson solicitor and James Walter Shoulksmith plumber.

Note: Entry for Jane Shoulksmith on same page as John. Same address. (Wife – 1911 census)

DazedConfused

DazedConfused Report 10 Sep 2013 08:17

Findmypast is the sister site to Genes Reunited

Both owned by Brightsolid

David

David Report 10 Sep 2013 08:10

Belay that - I guess FMP is 'Find My Past'...

David

David Report 10 Sep 2013 08:09

Thanks, Jax - but what is FMP?

I'm a recently retired registrar and I've never heard of of the under/over 50 rule before this and can't see how that would be administered or what the point of it is, to be honest. The rule is that if anyone can give sufficient information so the Superintendent Registrar (or his/her Deputy - in reality, anyone working in the Register Office) can trace the event in the indexes and is prepared to pay for it, then the certificate is issued. Whether a person is alive or dead doesn't come into it - otherwise family history would grind to a halt.

Thanks for the burial information - I'll see if I can access it here, but those are my ancestors and the burial details haven't appeared before...

jax

jax Report 10 Sep 2013 00:55

Just checked on GR and the same three burials are on here as well....under deaths

As for Divorces, Ancestry do have all the details in their collection

UK, Civil Divorce Records, 1858-1911

jax

jax Report 10 Sep 2013 00:51

I do not include any one who is living in my research I don't feel the need to add them.

As I do not use GR for records but I expect the burials are the same as FMP...these are the only burials for that name on that site

SHOUKSMITH Jonas 1818 1761 York Yorkshire (East Riding) VIEW N/A
SHOUKSMITH Mary 1834 1759 York Yorkshire (East Riding) VIEW N/A
SHOUKSMITH Thomas 1821 1821 York Yorkshire (East Riding) VIEW N/A

Edit- Just to add I am not divorced but have been separated for many years, I have no intention to marry again so will probably stay as I am.

I would prefer that this country were stricter in what can be found online and the fact that someone could just purchase my birth cert with no questions asked is wrong....why do you need full details apparently to purchase a birth cert for someone under 50, but nothing needed for someone older than that?

David

David Report 10 Sep 2013 00:34

Jax - you wrote "Why should it be any body elses business whether someone has divorced or not, who is still living?"

The simple answer is: For the same reason the birth or marriage of anybody who is still living is anybody else's business, that is to say, why we're all here - family research.

I'm not after the whole nine yards regarding anyone's divorce - as you say, that is private. But, rhetorically speaking, I can't see why the date,, place and names of the couple are a big secret. Then I'd know to search for a subsequent re-marriage.

Some of you seem to be saying divorced people ought to be ashamed of the fact and hide it away. If so, I think you need to get into the 21st century (or, in fact, the 20th...). Perhaps I should start a 'Divorce Anonymous' group - my name is David and I'm divorced.

Anyway, regarding burials - the same simple question. How do I access details of burials on GR? Say for the same three individuals I mentioned above.

jax

jax Report 10 Sep 2013 00:18

It is strange how from country to country it varies in what can be accessed.

England and Wales must be the easiest to access records for living and dead, There are some recent divorces that you can see on ancestry in certain states in America although you only get a rough idea of the reason for divorce...not the gory details...but bmd's are not as recent and that changes from state to state.

Canada, Australia and New Zealand again it is difficult

My Aunt died in Australia in 1979 but I cannot see a record for her death, so I assume that state wasn't covered?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 9 Sep 2013 23:56

In Scotland, many divorce proceedings are in the searchable catalogue on The National Archives of Scotland website. Many have "open access". For example, I could view the paperwork for my living aunt's divorce in 1971 - if I was so inclined. Even her daughter's divorce in 1981 is catalogued with open access.

jax

jax Report 9 Sep 2013 23:35


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about Thomas Shouksmith
Name:
Thomas Shouksmith
Probate Date:
19 Feb 1861
Death Date:
31 Jan 1861
Death Place:
Yorkshire, England
Registry:
Yorkshire, England


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about Ann Shouksmith
Name:
Ann Shouksmith
Probate Date:
9 Feb 1867
Death Date:
22 May 1864
Death Place:
Yorkshire, England



England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about John Shouksmith
Name:
John Shouksmith
Probate Date:
2 Dec 1916
Death Date:
6 Sep 1915
Death Place:
Yorkshire, England
Registry:
Yorkshire, England


From ancestry

jax

jax Report 9 Sep 2013 23:32

Ramblingrose has given you what is in the Wills and Probate section and Yorkshire and those dates are not included