Genealogy Chat

What a lot of information from you all Thank you so much Marje

marje ..............


for the record, I use ancestry, freebmd, family search (the Mormon site), Lancashire OPC

www.freebmd.org.uk

www.familysearch.org/

www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

and also a number of other "minor" sites, but these are the most improtant that I use


sylvia

I cannot find Jane Anderson's baptism, but if Jacob Anderson was her brother, then his parents were Jacob Anderson and Sarah



Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1901 (Cathedral) about Jacob Anderson

Name: Jacob Anderson
Baptism Date: 4 Jun 1826
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: Jacob Anderson
Mother's Name: Sarah Anderson
Archive Roll: 759

Father Jacob's occupation in the Parish Register was Bricklayer

and this looks like Thomas and Jane in the 1851 Census, although Thomas' occupation is differnet

1851 Census

Name: Thomas Rogers
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Rogers
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Openshaw Lancaster

Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration District: Manchester
Sub-registration District: Ancoats


Thomas Rogers 25 Dyer
Jane Rogers 23 b.ca 1828, Manchester, Cotton Weaver
Thomas Rogers 2 b.ca 1849, Manchester
Elizabeth Rogers 5/12 b.ca 1850, Manchester
Jacob Anderson 26 b.ca 1825, Manchester, Brother-in-law, Cotton Spinner

Address:- 24 Back Woodward



Despite this census record, I believe that Thomas Rogers and Jane Anderson did not marry until 1855



Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral) about Jane Anderson

Name: Jane Anderson
Age: 30
Birth Year: abt 1830
Marriage Date: 30 Jun 1855
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: Jacob Anderson
Spouse's Name: Thomas Rogers
Spouse's Age: 25
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Rogers
Archive Roll: 723


from image ...............

Thomas
Bachelor
Occupation:- Boiler Maker
Address:- 70 Canning Street
Father occupation:- Carter

Jane
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 70 Canning Street
Father occupation:- Labourer

Witnesses:- Maria Hill and Jacob Anderson

It looks as though 3 of their children died young, although I can only find the record for Jacob


Deaths Mar 1867 (>99%)

Rogers Jacob 11 Manchester 8d 141


James and Henry do not seem to appear on later censuses.

and this looks as though it could be them in 1861 .............. with a mis-spelling of the surname!


1861 Census

Name: Thomas Rodgers
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Rodgers
Gender: Male
Where born: Openshurn, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: St Jude
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration District: Manchester
Sub-registration District: Ancoats

Thomas Rodgers 36 Boiler Maker
Jane Rodgers 31 b.ca 1830, Manchester
Thomas Rodgers 12 b.ca 1849, Manchester
Elizbeth Rodgers 10 b.ca 1851, Manchester
Sarahan Rodgers 8 b.ca 1853, Manchester <<<< Sarah Ann
Jacob Rodgers 6 b.ca 1855, Manchester
James Rodgers 4 b.ca 1857, Manchester
Charles Rodgers 2 b.ca 1859, Manchester
Henry Rodgers 6 Months b.ca 1860, Manchester

Address:- 11 Back Hadfield St


Thomas birthplace should be Openshaw, Manchester

Here are Thomas and Jane in 1881 ..............

1881 Census

Name: Thomas Rogers
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Jane Rogers
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester

Civil Parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 11 Wright St
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Boiler Maker

Registration District: Manchester
Sub-registration District: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 19

Thomas Rogers 55
Jane Rogers 51 b.ca 1830, Manchester, Weaver
Elizabeth Oldham 34 b.ca 1847, Manchester, Widow, Lodger, Doubler
Herbert Oldham 8 b.ca 1873, Manchester, Lodger, Scholar
Jane Ann ? Oldham 4 b.ca 1877, Manchester, Lodger, Scholar
Elizabeth Rogers 30 b.ca 1851, Manchester, Married, Lodger, Piecer

Sarah Ann's marriage from www.familysearch.org/


Sarah Ann Rogers, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "

Name: Henry Rayner
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Rogers
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 14 Oct 1876
Event Place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M09789-7
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 438234, 438235, 438236, 438237
Reference ID:


and from ancestry .............



Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral) about Sarah Ann Rogers

Name: Sarah Ann Rogers
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1854
Marriage Date: 14 Oct 1876
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: Thomas Rogers
Spouse's Name: Henry Rayner
Spouse's Age: 22
Spouse's Father's Name: Fairburn Rayner
Archive Roll: 743


from image:-

Sarah Ann
Spinster
No Occupation shown
Address:- 42 Back Balloon Street
Father occupation:- Boiler Maker

Henry
Bachelor
Occupation:- Wire Drawer
Address:- 36 Hanover St
Father occupation:- Wire Drawer

Witnesses:- M.D. Owen, M. E Atkins, James Green and Mary Alice Hurst (??spelling)


Henry signed his own name.

Sarah Ann could not write ................. she had to use a mark

Re the 1871 Census

Elizabeth Oldam is shown on the image as being Daughter of Thomas and Jane AND Married

Possible that Sarah Ann Rogers parents were Thomas Rogers and his wife Jane as shown in the 1871 census:


Name:Sarah Ann Rogers
Age:18
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1853
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:Thomas Rogers
Mother's Name:Jane Rogers
Gender:Female
Where born:Manchester
Civil Parish:St Barnabas
Ecclesiastical parish:St Barnabas
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Registration District:Manchester
Sub-registration District:Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel:17
Household Schedule Number:58
Piece:4030
Folio:31
Page Number:12
Household Members:NameAge
Thomas Rogers 45
Jane Rogers 40
Elizabeth Oldam 20 - shown as daughter, could be that Jane was called Oldham before marraige and had Elizabeth illigitimately or Jane had been married prior to marrying thomas Rogers
Sarah Ann Rogers 18
Charles Rogers 12

Personally, I use freebmd and also have a subscription to findmypast and ancestry - I usually try to use all three sites together to gather as much info as possible.

Others that have posted on your thread may use different sites to the ones that I use.


I think too that you may have the answer to your query, that of his mothers full name - as posted above:


Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
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Rayner Henry Manchester 8d 312

Rogers Sarah Ann Manchester 8d 312


Lynne

Thank you everyone I do mean GR lists/files bye the way Could not understand why which every category I chose to enter his name in this AM all showed 'No results' I do have all the results you kindly gave me ,as I'm closely related to Fairburn .but as all the relations mentioned are no longer with us I needed to know his Mothers full name . His line of work was WIRE Drawer as were lots of the male Rayners.. I do not like to ask too many questions, would love to know how you all go about getting such detailed info. I am only on a yearly subscription, so maybe that is why I am limited Thanks once again Marje. That is his Son(WWW1 death) Margee Thank You

" I know he existed as he has shown up in your files in the past"

Whose files?

His son? Killed in WW1?

RAYNER, FAIRBURN
Rank:Private
Service No:3513513
Date of Death:29/08/1920
Age:20
Regiment/Service:Manchester Regiment
2nd Bn.
Panel ReferencePanel 31 and 64.
MemorialBASRA MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of Fairburn and Martha Rayner, of 34, Euclid St., Beswick, Manchester.

(Address is same as on 1911 census.)

Death is also registered under Fairburn:


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Fairburn Rayner

Name:Fairburn Rayner
Birth Date:abt 1877
Date of Registration:Jun 1917
Age at Death:40
Registration District:Manchester
Inferred County:Lancashire
Volume:8d
Page:257

1891

RG number: RG12
Piece: 3256
Folio: 68
Page: 24
Reg. District: Prestwich
Sub District: Newton
Parish: Bradford
Enum. District: 28
Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch
City/Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: 102, Princess Street, Bradford, Kirkmanshulme, Manchester
County: Lancashire


RAYNER, Henry Head Married M 36 1855 Wire Drawer
Manchester, Lancashire
RAYNER, Sarah A Wife Married F 37 1854
Manchester, Lancashire
>>>>>RAYNER, Fairburn Son M 13 1878 Scholar
Manchester, Lancashire
RAYNER, Jessie Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Scotland
RAYNER, Charles Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Scotland
RAYNER, Ada Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Scotland
RAYNER, Henry Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Manchester, Lancashire
RAYNER, Ethel Daughter F 4 1887
Manchester, Lancashire
RAYNER, Frederick Son M 2 1889
Bradford, Lancashire
RAYNER, Lydia Daughter F 0 (1M) 1891
Bradford, Lancashire

He is on the 1891 census as Fairburn Rayner

1881 (Scotland)

RG number: RG11
Piece: 6522
Folio: 7
Page: 15
Reg. District: Middle District of Old Monkland
Sub District:
Parish: Old Monkland
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 46, North British Buildings, Old Monkland
County: Lanarkshire


RAYNOR, Henry Head Married M 26 1855 Wire Draner
England
RAYNOR, Sarah A Wife Married F 26 1855
England
>>>>>RAYNOR, Fairburn Son M 3 1878
England
RAYNOR, Jessie Daughter F 2 1879
Coatbridge, Lanarkshire

More info on marriage:

Henry's occupation: wine-drawer; father: Fairburn Rayner, wine-drawer.
Bride's father: Thomas Rogers, boilermaker

Name:
Henry Rayner

Age:
22

Birth Year:
abt 1854

Marriage Date:
14 Oct 1876

Parish:
Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George

Father's Name:
Fairburn Rayner

Spouse's Name:
Sarah Ann Rogers

Spouse's Age:
22

Spouse's Father's Name:
Thomas Rogers

Archive Roll:
743