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John Ruffles born 1794 Westhorpe in Suffolk

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AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Nov 2013 23:09


Advertisement printed and dated June 1767.
To be lett and entered upon immediately in the parish of Edwardstone in the County of Suffolk within 4 miles of Sudbury, 6 of Hadleigh, 12 of Colchester, and 17 of Ipswich that capital brick Mansion called NEW HOUSE containing several handsome rooms on a floor one of which is a very grand one lately built with stabling for 24 horses Coaches, Brew house and all manner of convenient offices for a Gentleman's Family with very good gardens and fish ponds together with 35 acres of land lying close to the house and a wood of 5 acres lately in the occupation of John Pogson Esq.
For further particulars enquire of John Sparrow at Edwardstone Hall within half a mile of the premises, or of Wm Sheldon Esq. in Portugal Row, Lincoln's Inn Fields, London.

THIS INDENTURE made the thirtieth day of June Anno Domino 1780 and in the fourth year of the reign of our sovereign Lord George the second by the grace of God of Great Britain France and Ireland King Defender of the faith. BETWEEN Joseph ALSTON the Elder of Newhouse in the County of Suffolk Esquire of the one part and Joseph ALSTON the Younger of Newhouse aforesaid Esquire only son and heir apparent of the said Joseph ALSTON the Elder of the other part WHEREAS the said Joseph ALSTON the Elder doth hold for the Terme of his natural life ALL that messuage or tenement called Has Tendis (sic) with the Homestall thereto belonging and all the lands meadows pastures seedings groves woods woodlands and appurtances thereto belonging or herewith now used occupied or enjoyed or accepted reputed known deemed of taken as or for part parcel or member thereof heretofore in the tenure or occupation of Robert SLY and Walter ATKINS or one of them their or one of their undertennant or undertennants and afterwards of Thomas SHERWOOD and Elizabeth SHERWOOD and now in the tenure or occupation of Robert MATHEWS his undertennant or assigns and let at the yearly rent of one hundred and thirty pounds and situate lying and being in the Parish of Sculthorpe in the County of Norfolk AND ALSO ALL that capital messuage r tenement called or known by the name of MASCALLSs with all the edifice buildings barnes stables yards gardens and orchards thereto belonging situate and being in ELMSETT in the said County of Suffolk and also all the lands meadows pastures feedings grounds woods groves and appurtances thereto belonging or herewith now enjoyed lying and being in ELMSETT aforesaid HINTLESHAM and ALDHAM in the said County of Suffolk or some or one of them or in some town parish or place there near adjoining thereforeto in the tenure or occupation of Thomas H . . . . . and his . . . . . precincts of Boxford Polstead and Hadley (Hadleigh) or some or one of them in the said County of Suffolk therefore in the tenure of occupation of Walter SMELLING and now of John RUFFLES his undertennanrts of assigns and let at the yearly rent of six and forty pounds per annum and also all that messuage or tenement called Quicks and all those severall pieces or parcels of arable land meadow and pasture with the appurtances thereunto belonging or herewith now used situate and being in the parishes of Edwardstone Groton and Little Waldingfield or some or one of them in the said County of Suffolk heretofore in the tenure of Thomas OSBOURN and now of John HIND his undertennants or assigns and let to him at the ret of nine and thirty pounds per annum the immediate reversion or remainder whereof doth belong to the said Joseph ALSTON the son and to the heirs male of his body lawfully to be begotton



Joseph ALSTON of New House [3521]
... some or one of them in the said County of Suffolk therefore in the tenure of occupation of Walter SMELLING and now of John RUFFLES his ... 1794). ref Suffolk ...
www.thekingscandlesticks.com/webs/pedigrees%20/3521.html - Cached

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Nov 2013 23:05

ID: I21
Name: John RUFFLES
Sex: M
Birth: 1764 in westhorpe, Suffolk
Death: 21 Jun 1832 in Westhorpe, Suffolk
Christening: 23 SEP 1764 Westhorpe, Suffolk

Father: William RUFFLES b: 1732 in Elmswell, Suffolk c: 28 DEC 1732 in Elmswell, Suffolk
Mother: Elizabeth CUTTING b: ABT 1732 in Suffolk


RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Genes
RUFFLES, John b: 1764 in westhorpe, Suffolk d: 21 Jun 1832 in Westhorpe, Suffolk RUFFLES, John b: 1805 in Bardwell, Suffolk RUFFLES, John b: ABT 1879 in Whitton, Suffolk
wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=... - Cached



AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Nov 2013 23:02

John Ruffles,
born 1792 or 1794, Shotley, Suffolk,
mar Susannah Sandle [born 1801, Assington, Suffolk],
can't find them in [UK census, 1841]
he is listed as "farmer", living Falkenham, Suffolk (see map) at dau's birth 1843,
John Ruffles, miller and farmer, Trimley St. Martin, Suffolk (see map) is listed in [PO Directory, 1846],
can't find them in [UK census, 1851]
John Ruffles, farmer, Trimley St. Mary, is listed in [White's Directory of Suffolk, 1855] in the combined section on Trimley St. Mary and Trimley St. Martin, Suffolk,
he is also listed in 1855 as a corn miller at Woodbridge Tide Mill, Woodbridge, Suffolk,
he is listed in [UK census, 1861] as living Farm House, apparently 66 Trimley St, Trimley St. Mary, Suffolk, he is listed as "Farmer Of 165 Acres Employing 5 Men & 2 Boys", they have 1 servant,
at death he is listed as John Ruffles, miller and farmer, formerly of Trimley St. Mary, Suffolk, late of Trimley St. Martin, Suffolk,
died 20 Feb 1863, Trimley St. Martin [GRO.UK], age 69 yrs or 71 yrs,
will pr at Ipswich, 25 May 1863, by Susannah Ruffles of Ipswich, widow,
the executors are Joseph Wells and his son Joseph Leonard Wells (who later married Ruffles' daughter),
see notice about admin of estate in The Times, 17 Aug 1863,
he is listed as "miller" at dau's mar 1865,
Susannah is listed in [UK census, 1871] as widow, age 70, living 83 Victoria Street, St Matthew's Parish, Ipswich (see map), living with one servant and a lodger, she is listed as "Landed And House Proprietor",
had issue:



Eliza Jane Ruffles,
born "Mary Jane", 12 noon, 27th Oct 1843, Falkenham, Suffolk [GRO.UK],
NOT born Stow district,
at mar 1865 she is listed as living St Matthew's Parish, Ipswich,
mar 8th Nov 1865, St Matthew's Parish Church, Ipswich [GRO.UK]
to Joseph Leonard Wells [born 27th June 1839] and had issue.

Must be brother:


James Sandle Ruffles.
A family bible existed which was a gift to "James Sandle Ruffles" from his mother, 8th Mar 1850.
Not found in [UK census, 1861].


John Ruffles - HumphrysFamilyTree.com
Woodbridge Tide Mill. Click to toggle map/satellite view. Click to zoom in/out. Drag to move. From Google Maps. John Ruffles, born 1792 or 1794, Shotley, Suffolk,
humphrysfamilytree.com/Ruffles/john.html - Cached

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Nov 2013 22:59

Removal orders

If you did not receive a Settlement Certificate, one of two things could happen. You could stay if your original parish ("parish of settlement") agreed to pay a fee, usually quarterly, to sustain you in your new parish. If not, you would receive a Removal Order, sometimes accompanied by a written pass to the parish of settlement showing the route you must follow. Your parish of settlement was obliged to take you back.

Removal Orders would often take a person or a family back to a place of settlement miles across the country, sometimes to a parish they had only known briefly as a small child. It was rare for a husband and wife to have their children taken from them, each going to separate scattered parishes. Children under seven were rarely removed to a different place from their natural parents as they would have had to gain a settlement of their own to be removed somewhere other than their father's place of settlement.

The place of settlement for illegitimate babies and children was usually their place of birth, and this sometimes resulted in them removal from their mothers in the 18th century if the child was not born in the mother's place of settlement. An agreement was sometimes made between the overseers of the child's place of settlement and the overseers of the parish where it was living so that it could be maintained by the former whilst living in the latter. Children whose mother had remarried a man with a different place of settlement from their father could be removed away from their mother as they would retain their father's settlement, but again agreements could be made between parishes as with illegitimate children above.

As part of the parish records, Overseers accounts may show expenses incurred by the parish in ascertaining a pauper's legal place of settlement. The accounts of parish constables may also list expenses made in removing individuals to another location. Overseers records will often include removal orders, settlement certificates and other related papers

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Nov 2013 22:59

Removal Order FB 152/G2/12 25 July 180
Contents:
Ann Ruffles from Bacton


Removal Order FB 152/G2/13 6 May 1816
Contents:
John Ruffles to St Martin, Birmingham in the county of Warwick

Removal FB 152/G7 [n.d.]
Related information: see also FB 152/G2/12-20
Bill relating to the removal of widow Ruffles and her children FB 152/G7/1 1843


The National Archives | Access to Archives
Newspaper cutting from the Suffolk Times and Mercury about Westhorpe ... 1794 Enclosed, list of ... Letter from John Ruffles to his parents in Birmingham ...
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=173-fb... - Cached
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Marie

Marie Report 5 Nov 2013 21:31

Hi All
I have found his name by using a Google search "John ruffles from Westhorpe Suffolk" his name and St Martins Warwickshire is on the NA site but try as I may I can't find the info. Any suggestions please.
Thanks Marie Ruffles Sansoni. :-( :-(

Marie

Marie Report 3 Nov 2013 09:15

Hi Thelma
This is the one I am looking for. I am now hoping that some gossip has been handed down through the family regarding his quick departure. Thank you.

Marie

Marie Report 2 Nov 2013 21:17


Yet again a big thank you to all who have responded. All advice gratefully received.
Marie Ruffles- Sansoni

Thelma

Thelma Report 2 Nov 2013 13:26

There are 13 trees on Mundia.com/Ancestry
EG
John Ruffles
Birth: 23 Jan 1794 - Suffolk, England
Death: 1868 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Marriage: 30 Dec 1822 - Birmingham
Spouse: Hannah Huntington

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 1 Nov 2013 20:28

Name: Edward Ruffles
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 16 May 1815
Christening Place: Westhorpe, Suffolk, England
Father's Name: John Ruffles
Mother's Name: Jane
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01703-9
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 951461

Stuart

Stuart Report 1 Nov 2013 19:34

Input John Ruffles 1794 Suffolk on google, there are quite a few references. Most seem to say born Shotley, Suffolk but if you look into each you might find some further detail.

Also try on here under Search at the top right of this page, then search all trees to see if any other members are researching the family. You can then contact them.

Marie

Marie Report 1 Nov 2013 19:00

HI There
Is there anyone out there who could shed some light on why the above John Ruffles left(under a cloud) Westhorpe with a Mr Goer and was taken to Birmingham. I do have a copy of a letter sent to his parents from Birmingham dated 1816 asking to be allowed to return home.
Any Suffolk Ruffles's out there that could fill in the story for me.
Thanks in advance for any info.
Maria Ruffles Sansoni. Birmingham.