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Helena Hofgartner

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M Report 10 Nov 2013 20:48

Evening all :)

Im wondering if anyone can help me find out a little more info on Helena Hofgartner.
So far i know the following

Helena Hofgartner born 1884 in London
Parents were Lorenz Hofgartner and Rosalie Ledaller who married in 1879.
Helena married Henry Charles Schonbeck in 1906.
They had 2 children Charles Henry Schonbeck born 1907 and Bernard Roland Schonbeck born 1909
Helena's father died from gangrene in 1892
Helena, her husband and children emigrated to Australia and died there although i dont know when they left or when she died.
I also know nothing about her between 1884 and 1906? and also know nothing about her father Lorenz.

Any help would be greatly appreciated :)

Thank you


Joseph Report 10 Nov 2013 20:56

1891 at 29, Windmill Street, St Pancras
HOFGARTNER, Lorenz Head Married M 34 1857 Ladies Tailor Bavaria, Germany
HOFGARTNER, Rosalie Wife Married F 33 1858 Paris, France
HOFGARTNER, Lorenz Son M 12 1879 Finsbury, London
HOFGARTNER, Cecelia Daughter F 10 1881 St Pancras, London
HOFGARTNER, Mackmilian Son M 8 1883 London
HOFGARTNER, Helena Daughter F 6 1885 London
HOFGARTNER, Augusta Daughter F 4 1887 London

Original is Maximilian


Joseph Report 10 Nov 2013 21:00

1901 at -, German Hospital, Dalston London
HOFGARTNER, Helene Servant Single F 16 1885 Ward Maid (Hospital)


Joseph Report 10 Nov 2013 21:06

1901 Royal Navy at Sea and in ports abroad
IndefatigableTwin Scree Ermser 2nd Classz
HOFGARTNER, Lorenzo Member Of Crew Single M 22 1879 A B
St Lukes, Middlesex

1901 at 64, Warren Street, St Pancras
HOFGARTNER, Rosalie J Head Widow F 43 1858 Tailoress France English Subject
HOFGARTNER, Max Son Single M 18 1883 Painter (Stocker) City, London


Joseph Report 10 Nov 2013 21:10

1881 at 11, Tabernacle Sqr, Shoreditch
HOLGARTUER, Lorenz Head Married M 24 1857 Tailor Bavaria (F)
HOLGARTUER, Rosalie Wife Married F 23 1858 (Foreign), France
HOLGARTUER, Lorenz Son Single M 2 1879 Shoreditch, Middlesex
HOLGARTUER, Cecilia Daughter Single F 0 1881 St Pancras, Middlesex

Can't see him in 1871.


PriscillaEmilywasMoonbeam Report 10 Nov 2013 21:25

FreeBMD Marriage Record

Lorens Hofgartner
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1879
Registration District: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 269
Records on Page:

Lorens Hofgartner
Lorenz Hofgartner

Rosalie Schaller

Rosalie's maiden name was Schaller, not Ledaller.

The London Parish Records for the marriage has mis transcribed her name as Ledaller. If you look at her signature on the image it does look like Schaller.


M Report 10 Nov 2013 21:43

thank you joseph.. and your right moonbeam! I usually check original documents but must of missed this one...

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2013 22:46

still in the UK in 1911

1911 census transcription details for: 109 Roundwood Road Willesden

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN7046 RG78PN346B RD129 SD1 ED66 SN163
Reg. District: Willesden
Sub District: Willesden
Parish: Willesden
Enum. District: 66
Address: 109 Roundwood Road Willesden
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SCHONBECK, Henry Charles Head Married M 33 1878 Tailor London Whitechapel
SCHONBECK, Helena Wife Married
4 years F 26 1885 City of London
SCHONBECK, Charles Henry Son M 3 1908 London St Pancras
SCHONBECK, Bennard Roland Son M 1 1910 London Willesden

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2013 22:54

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 about Henry Charles Schonbeck
Name: Henry Charles Schonbeck occ labourer
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1930
State: New South Wales
District: Macquarie
Subdistrict: Leura

with Helena occ needlewoman

address Cricklewood,Rawson Parade, Leura

Both at this same address to 1958

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2013 22:58

Helena is at the same address in 1963 with her son Bernard Roland occ carpenter and possibly a daughter in Law Marjorie occ home duties

So henry must have died between 1958 and 1963


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 10 Nov 2013 23:58

SCHONBECK Henry Charles
Death notice
11SEP1962 Death age 84 at Katoomba, late of Leura
Sydney Morning Herald 12SEP1962


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 11 Nov 2013 00:07

Was the opening post yours?

NSW death indexes




Helena, Henry Charles and Bernard are all buried at Wentworth falls cemetery.


Worth looking at that linked thread as other research results has been given

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 11 Nov 2013 07:45

Hofgartner, Victor James
Hofgartner, Lorenz
Hofgartner, Joan
Schonbeck, Lottie Isabel

(Burials of above, if relating, are on below)

Chris :)


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 11 Nov 2013 09:57

If this is your Henry Schonbeck, it does mean that they didn’t migrate until after WW1

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
about Henry C Schonbeck
Name: Henry C Schonbeck
Regiment or Corps: Middlesex Regiment
Regimental Number: G/74051

Awarded the British and Victory Medals