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help please to find someone in the 1891 census

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Chris

Chris Report 11 Nov 2013 17:45

I am trying to find Charles and Emma Gramone on the 1891 census, but having no luck.

I have a marriage for Charles Gramone to Emma Fletcher 10 Jul 1882 in Birmingham ( I have viewed the actual marriage cert on Ancestry). The person filling in the cert appears to have put an acute accent over the last e in Gramone both for Charles and his father. Charles signed his name without the accent.

I have tried out going passenger lists and nothing comes up.
Searching all types on FreeBMD there are just two entries :
John Charles Gramone born Birmingham 1883
Charles Gramone died Birmingham 1884 Age 1.

I think probably the name has been misspelt or wrongly transcribed. Any help would be much appreciated.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Nov 2013 18:00

Hi Chris.

Very elusive aren't they. Do you have birth details, i.e. year and place, for Charles and Emma?

Jan

Chris

Chris Report 11 Nov 2013 18:08

Hi Brummiejan
On the mariage cert Charles is full age and Emma is 25 born 1857, I can verify her birth as I have her baptism. Have no futher details I'm afraid.

Chris

Chris Report 11 Nov 2013 18:11

Hi again Brummiejan
Forgot to say Emma was born in Birmingham

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Nov 2013 18:14

I can't see the image, so please give every single detail - addresses, father's names & occupations, Charles' occupation, witnesses. Thanks.

(I take it this is Emma?)

1871 England Census
Name: Emma Fletcher
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alexander Fletcher
Mother's Name: Sheacker Fletcher
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-registration District: St George

Alexander Fletcher 41
Sheacker Fletcher 29
Elmer Fletcher 26
Ann Fletcher 19
Emma Fletcher 14
Allias Fletcher 12
John Fletcher 9

Jan

Chris

Chris Report 11 Nov 2013 18:25

Hi Jan
Yes it is the correct family for Emma on the 1871 Census.

Mariage cert:
Charles is a silverer of looking glasses. living at Bishopgate Street 17 Ct 4 Hse. father John Gramone a Tailor.
Emma no occ. same address Father Alexander Fletcher a Machinist.
Thank you for taking the time to help.
Chris

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Nov 2013 18:35

I wonder??? Not that it would help much!!

1881 England Census
Name: Carlo Granconi
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relationship to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Italy

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 36 Bartholomew St

Occupation: Looking Glass Silverer

Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-registration District: St Martin

John Spinnetto 65
Cumbatisla Spinnetto 61
43
30
27
40
25
25
Luige Spinetto 17
Rosina Spinetto 16
Carlo Granconi 23

Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Nov 2013 18:38

Looking at image, i think it says Gramoni - but still no luck 1891.
Jan

Chris

Chris Report 11 Nov 2013 18:39

Hi Jan
I did think it sounded Italian and the silverer made me prick up my ears. I think as I said the 'foreign name pses difficulties as I suppose would the accent.

Chris

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Nov 2013 18:58

I can't find anything else to be honest - maybe somebody else will have more luck!
If I had to guess, i would wonder if they went to Italy?
Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Nov 2013 19:08

Have you considered this? I can't see a baptism record for this birth unfortunately:

Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
Granone Charles Birmingham 6d 199

Jan

Chris

Chris Report 11 Nov 2013 19:12

Hi Jan
Many thanks for your time . I do think the 1881 census is the Charles - Carlo Grimoni - I agrre with you. Using that spelling I could find on Free Bmd their wedding as we know was in 1882 Emma Fletcher and Charles Gramoni. If they did go to Italy it would have been much warmer!
Regards Chris

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Nov 2013 19:17

No problem. Just sorry I couldn't find more.
Did you see the birth above, or did we cross posts!
Jan

Chris

Chris Report 11 Nov 2013 19:35

Hi Jan

Yes I did see the birth it was only one of two entries on FreeBMD.

Thankyou so much for a second pair of eyes and the time you have spent.

Regards Chris

Chris

Chris Report 11 Nov 2013 19:35

Hi Jan

Yes I did see the birth it was only one of two entries on FreeBMD.

Thankyou so much for a second pair of eyes and the time you have spent.

Regards Chris

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Nov 2013 22:11

Just clarifying - the 1885 birth is different to the 2 entries you put in your first posting.

It's been fun finding 'Carlo' but hasn't really helped other than that, dammit!

Jan