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23 Sep 2010 19:05 |
IM TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO SUSAN SPOONER BORN IN 1892/93 .IN GRAYS ESSEX . SHE MARRIED JOHN DANIEL JENKINS ON 6 APRIL 1912 IN BETHNAL GREEN LONDON SHE VANISHED SOON AFTER THEY DIVORCED AROUND 1920 TO 1925 SHE WAS MY GRANDMOTHER AND I AM DESPERATE AS TO WHAT HAPPENED TO HER. HER FATHER WAS GEORGE SPOONER HER MOTHER WAS JULIA
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patchem
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23 Sep 2010 19:29 |
Have you got her birth certificate for exact date of birth? (Presumably: Births Dec 1892 Spooner Susan Bethnal Green 1c 223) This can help trace/confirm death. Thanks
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FannyByGaslight
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23 Sep 2010 19:43 |
1911 Very precise place of birth on here,although 1901 does say Grays Essex for birth place .But the birth in Bethnal Green would be her I think.
BACON, Earnest William Head Married M 28 1883 Painter On Buildings 51 Vyner St Hackney London BACON, Annie Bertha Wife Married F 24 1887 Tailoress 6 Swan Court Mile End London SPOONER, Susan Boarder Single F 18 1893 Fancy Leather Work Park Row Bethnal Green London BACON, Alice Maud Daughter Single F 2 1909 51 Vyner St Cambridge Heath London Registration District: Bethnal Green Sub District: Bethnal Green North East Enumeration District: 32 Parish: Bethnal Green Address: 61 Vyner St Bethnal Green County: London
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FannyByGaslight
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23 Sep 2010 19:51 |
Think Julia may not be mother of Susan
1901 SPOONER, George Head Married M 46 1855 Fancy Leather Worker City London SPOONER, Julia Wife Married F 46 1855 London SPOONER, Susan Daughter Single F 9 1892 Grays Essex Registration District: Shoreditch Sub District: Hoxton New Town Enumeration District: 14 Ecclesiastical Parish: St John the Baptist Civil Parish: Shoreditch Municipal Borough: Address: 74, Bevenden Street, Shoreditch County: London
1891 SPOONER, George Head Married M 35 1856 Fancy Leather Worker In Pocket Books London SPOONER, Susan Wife Married F 23 1868 Edmonton Middlesex RG number: RG12 Piece: 1354 Folio: 40 Page: 8 Registration District: West Ham Sub District: Walthamstow Enumeration District: 8 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Saviour Civil Parish: Walthamstow Municipal Borough: Address: 18, Markhouse Road, Walthamstow County: Essex
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FannyByGaslight
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23 Sep 2010 19:55 |
Yep,looks like Julia is stepmother to Susan Spooner born 1892
Name: George Spooner Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1855 Spouse Name: Julia James Spouse Age: 45 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 27 Oct 1900 Parish: St Andrew, Hoxton County: Middlesex Borough: Hackney Father Name: Robert Spooner Spouse Father Name: William Willmott.
Bride and groom are Widow and Widower.
Witnesses Henry Willmott and Emily James.
Death of George Spooners first Wife and mother of young Susan Spooner
Deaths Sep 1896 Spooner Susan 28 Shoreditch 1c 97
Marriages Dec 1890 Pollock Susan W. Ham 4a 293 Spooner George West Ham 4a 293
OK ,got that out of the way,so now to see what we can find after 1920 ish.
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FannyByGaslight
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24 Sep 2010 12:26 |
Message from Peter.
HI THANKS FOR DETAILS OF ABOVE VERY HELPFUL WHAT I AM TRYING TO FIND IS DID SHE REMARRY. DID SHE HAVE ANY MORE CHILDREN OTHER THAN MY MOTHER SUSAN BORN 13 FEB 1913 (STILL ALIVE) AND MY UNCLE JOHN JENKINS BORN 26 JULY 1914 .WHEN & WHERE SHE DIED.AND IS THIER ANY MORE CHILDREN ALIVE I MAY BE ABLE TO CONTACT AND ASK IF THEY KNOW WHY SHE JUST WENT AWAY? MY GRANDFATHER JOHN DANIEL WOULD NEVER SPEAK OF HER.
THANKS AGAIN FOR ANY INFO YOU CAN FIND REGARDS
Peter ,I have put this on here so that everyone can see what it is that you want help with.
To reply on here as we do please use the purple rply button at the top of the post.
Also it would be nice if you could turn your caps off,it makes hard on the eyes for reading and also looks as though you are shouting.
As patricia asked....Do you have her exact date of birth please?This makes it possible to search the death records easier and if she remained a Jenkins then it may well be a long and expensive haul to find her death. Are you certain that she divorced?Divorce back then was a difficult and costly thing and mainly the upper classes were the only ones to be able to afford it,so people just seperated and ended up living with another partner without actually marrying,unless they commited bigamy of course. Thank you Fan
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Peter
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24 Sep 2010 16:05 |
sorry for my errors im new to this so trying to find info is difficult but im learning all the time by helpful people like yourself.
as for a birth date no i do not have one my mother is 97 and in a home and can not remember anything. all she say's that she does not know why she left when she was 3 yrs old. A ll the rest of the family are dead so thiers no one else to ask she did say that 7 years after she left john daniel her father had his wife susan declared dead but we dont know this for certain as my mother is very confused.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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24 Sep 2010 16:16 |
just an observation. Susan may not have known she was delared dead so never remarried but lived with someone and would be buried under their name.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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24 Sep 2010 16:21 |
wonder Name: Peter R Allcock Mother's Maiden Surname: Spooner Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1928 Registration district: Wandsworth Registration county: Greater London Volume Number: 1d Page Number: 820
Cant see a marriage Allcock/Spooner
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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24 Sep 2010 16:22 |
born 1892 possibly child bearing age up 1937
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FannyByGaslight
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24 Sep 2010 16:50 |
It would really be best to get her birth cert for exact date of birth.
£9.25 from here
http://www.gro.gov.uk
Patricia has posted all the details for you to be able to order it. If you have not ordered before and have any probs just ask any of us for help..its free of charge on here !
We may then have a chance of finding some possible deaths for her.
Where was John Daniel living when he had her (supposedly)declared dead? If he did indeed do that he can not have divorced her.
Do they issue a death cert in those cases? I have it in the back of my mind that they do. Will have to check it out.
Mother born 1913,her mother left when she was aged 3 in 1916ish,so maybe declared dead in about 1924 ish?
Sound about right?
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Mike *
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24 Sep 2010 17:36 |
Total stab in the dark ...
Marriages Mar 1916 Jenkins Susan - Morgan Swansea 11a 1601 Morgan Thomas - Jenkins Swansea 11a 1601
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1916 Morgan Mary H - Spooner Swansea 11a 2214
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Sep 1922 Morgan William - Spooner Swansea 11a 2005
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Sep 1924 Morgan Grace -Spooner Swansea 11a 2043
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FannyByGaslight
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24 Sep 2010 18:03 |
Interesting Michael.
A bit close to her leaving Mr Jenkins time,but possible.
Would be interesting to know the details of the marriage cert to see if any are the same as the one to Mr John Jenkins.
Some money on certs is going to have to be spent on this at some point if Susan is really wanted to be found out about.
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Peter
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10 Oct 2010 12:50 |
i have applied for both birth & marriage certificates. will post info as soon as i receive.
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FannyByGaslight
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10 Oct 2010 12:55 |
Good ho,its the only way of having any chance of trying to find out anything. We will be here waiting.
Dont know about the others, but I really should get out sometimes !
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Peter
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17 Jan 2011 20:44 |
re susan spooner have received birth cert for susan spooner; could anybody who's interested let me know what you require. Or give me some instruction on how to put a copy on the computer for all to see.
many thanks for your patience P.J
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patchem
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17 Jan 2011 20:50 |
Peter, Just start with exact date of birth from certificate to try and identify any death.
(Then name and occupation of Father, and Mother's maiden name if you want)
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Peter
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17 Jan 2011 21:01 |
RE SUSAN SPOONER
d o b 1 oct 1892
place bethnal green london
father george spooner leather case maker
mothe susan pollock
regards p.j
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patchem
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17 Jan 2011 22:29 |
This is the only death for a Susan showing for that date: Susan Elizabeth Scarbrow Birth Date: 1 Oct 1892 Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1985 Age at death (estimated): 92 Registration district: Ealing Inferred County: London Volume: 12 Page: 110 So, not likely with the extra name. Deaths before 1969 do not show date of birth. So, either the person informing for the death certificate did not know her correct date of birth, or she died before 1969. This is most unsatisfactory.
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Peter
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27 Jan 2011 15:10 |
HI EVERYBODY have know received marriage cert let me know what info you may require from it.
P.S I would like to thank everyone for thier input it is most appreciated.
regards to all peter
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