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I am trying to find out what became of Richard J.Crosher born 1890 he is mentioned on the 1901 census at the age of eleven but have not been able to find him on the 1911 census.His father who is my gt grandfather was also called Richard j crosher died not long after the 1901 census .


Eileen

Is this him? You give no birthplace!

1901 England Census

Name: Richard T Crosher
[Richard J Crosher]
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's name: Richard J Crosher
Mother's name: Emma Crosher
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne Brookfield
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town

Richard J Crosher 41
Emma Crosher 32
Helen Crosher 13
Richard T Crosher 11
Thomas A Crosher 9
Emily C Crosher 6
William I Crosher 3
Frederick A Crosher 4 Months

According to 1911, looking at image, one child is 'missing at sea ?dead'.

CROSHER, Emma Head Widower F 45 1866 Cleaner London St Pancras VIEW
CROSHER, Thomas Son Single M 19 1892 Platten Hand London Camden IN VIEW
CROSHER, Emily Daughter Single F 16 1895 London Camden S N VIEW
CROSHER, William Son Single M 13 1898 School London Highgate VIEW
CROSHER, Frederick Son Single M 11 1900 School London Highgate VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
764 Reference:
RG14PN764 RG78PN26 RD9 SD4 ED20 SN29

Registration District:
St Pancras Sub District:
North St Pancras Enumeration District:
20 Parish:
St Pancras

Address:
183 Dartmouth Park Hill Highgate County:
London

how sad -- I wonder, with his mother being widowed, he was one of the boys who were on navy training ships ? of course if he had been lost at sea more recently he could have been an adult at the time.

a quick internet search found information like this

http://histclo.com/schun/type/mil/eng/mse-nts.html

Recruiting Sailors

At the turn of the 20th century the Royal Navy had about 60,000 men. Unlike the Army, the Royal Navy had no need for an extensive recruitment program. The Navy did not have recruiting officers like the Army. In fact the Navy had 10 volunteers for every position available on its training ships. One source reports, "So great is the number of would-be sailors that of every ten boys who leave the shore in watermen's boats to be examined by the officers of the training-ships, nine are returned to their parents. The medical examination is of a most stringent character. A weak chest, a swollen joint, missing teeth, or any slight irregularity is sufficent to condemn a boy in the eyes of the examining surgeon. .... Moreover, not only have the boys to show their physical fitness for sea-service, but they must satisry an examiner in reading, writing and arithmetic." [Hurd, p. 322.]

Old Hulks

Some naval schools for younger lads, particularly reform schools, were based in old hulks, tied up in port that were refrred to as naval training ships. HBC is not precisely sure while these old hulks were used. We assume that they were ships that were no longer sea worthy and had no value other than scrap. They were as a result, available at little or no cost. Thus these vessels were available at a fraction of the cost of actually building a school. They added the benefit because they were ships of offering the boys hands on experience with some of the equipment they would operate when they went to sea. HBC hopes to persue the topic of training ships in Britain.


information here too

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/trainingships/

PM from Eileen

'thank you do you know how i can find out if it was richard that died at sea'.

I have no idea. However, on the face of it there are 4 sons in 1901, and the other three are present 1911, so it seems likely it is him.

Jan

I am sure it is but have not found any death certificate does anyone know how I can find out how he came to die at sea.

I have a feeling Findmypast might have records. Only certain members have sub to this site. Hang on, will put out a plea!
jan

I have a sub to FMP. Will take a look for you now.

Jenny

Not seeing anything .........

I don't know much about deaths at sea, but if it was off the coast of England would it not still be registered as usual?

Thanks for having a look folks.
The only other thing I can think of is to check passenger lists in case he emigrated.
jan

Have looked, but as Marie says there is nothing on FMP

Jenny

I think unless there was a body there was no death certificate ... 'missing at sea' suggests there was no body ... as in the case of someone 'missing in action' in war ... presumed dead but not confirmed

I don't know whether there are naval records like there are for military records that would show whether he was in the navy

I guess the suggestions I posted were not of interest ....................

Helen, Eileen explained in her first post that the Richard who died in 1901 was the father of the Richard she is asking about

Deaths Dec 1901
Crosher Richard James age >>> 43 Pancras 1b 104

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