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9 Dec 2010 15:36 |
could someone pls look up marrige citificate of thomas watson1842 an marybelchamer 1871, or head me in the right direcetion, asap kind regards
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Cathy
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9 Dec 2010 15:40 |
I take it the birth years are wrong Debbie or was there a 30 year age gap? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1892 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BELCHAMBER Mary Ann W. Ham 4a 11
Watson Thomas John W. Ham 4a 11
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dibby
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9 Dec 2010 16:07 |
thanks alot much appreciated, look forward to your help again, debbie
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9 Dec 2010 16:07 |
Groom's Name: Thomas John Watson Groom's Birth Date: 1871 Groom's Birthplace: Groom's Age: 21 Bride's Name: Mary Ann Belchamber Bride's Birth Date: 1871 Bride's Birthplace: Bride's Age: 21 Marriage Date: 28 Feb 1892 Marriage Place: Canning-Town, Essex, England Groom's Father's Name: Andrew Watson Groom's Mother's Name: Bride's Father's Name: Henry W. Belchamber Bride's Mother's Name: Groom's Race: Groom's Marital Status: Groom's Previous Wife's Name: Bride's Race: Bride's Marital Status: Bride's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03175-5 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1471944 Reference Number: it 2, p 35 Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973
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dibby
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9 Dec 2010 18:18 |
hello to all you helpers, thank you are all great,bring so much excitement, could some one get, pls, mary ann w ham, belchamber 1911 daughters house hold for me
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Moody Blue
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9 Dec 2010 18:24 |
1911 census transcription details for: 41 Coolfin Road Victoria Docks E National Archive Reference: RG14PN9483 RG78PN508 RD188 SD4 ED13 SN91 Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: Canning Town Parish: West Ham Enum. District: 13 Address: 41 Coolfin Road Victoria Docks E County: Essex Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born WATSON, Thomas John Head Married M 40 1871 Carbon Art Agglamerated Blocks Maker North Woolwich Essex WATSON, Mary Ann Wife Married 19 years F 40 1871 West Ham Essex WATSON, Thomas Henry Son Single M 17 1894 Soap Worker West Ham Essex WATSON, Jane Daughter Single F 15 1896 Stamps India Rubber Tyres West Ham Essex WATSON, Henry Son M 13 1898 West Ham Essex WATSON, Maud Daughter F 9 1902 West Ham Essex WATSON, Nellie Daughter F 7 1904 West Ham Essex WATSON, Ethel Daughter F 5 1906 West Ham Essex WATSON, Emma Daughter F 5 1906 West Ham Essex WATSON, William Son M 1 1910 West Ham Essex
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Gwyn in Kent
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9 Dec 2010 18:29 |
Debbie
Do you need information back in time from Mary?
I can put you in touch with someone if you like, but she is not on GR.She knows loads about Belchamber family, especially in West Ham area.
Gwyn
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Cathy
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9 Dec 2010 19:44 |
Is this who you mean Debbie?
Name: Cecilia Millicent Watson Year of Registration: 1896 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: West Ham County: Essex, Greater London Volume: 4a Page: 157
I think this is the baptism record for the birth above although it says born 19 Jun 1896 and it's definately not the right one...
Name: Cecilia Millicent Watson Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1901 Baptism Date: 27 Jan 1901 Father's name: William Watson Mother's name: Clara Watson Parish or Poor Law Union: Queen Square St George the Martyr Borough: Camden
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Cathy
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9 Dec 2010 21:49 |
Debbie this is the family in 1901 and there is no daughter Cecilia Watson with them? What makes you think they had a daughter Cecilia? I think it would be a good idea to take up Gwyn's offer of a contact the Belchamber family from West Ham.....
1901 census - household transcription Person: WATSON, Thomas H Address: 40, Nelson Street, West Ham -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WATSON, Thomas Head Married M 30 1871 Carbon Maker Laborer N Woolwich London WATSON, Mary A Wife Married F 30 1871 West Ham Canning Town WATSON, Thomas H Son Single M 7 1894 West Ham Canning Town WATSON, Jane Daughter Single F 5 1896 West Ham Canning Town WATSON, Henry Son Single M 3 1898 West Ham Canning Town
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG13 Piece: 1582 Folio: 86 Page:19 Registration District: West Ham Sub District: Canning Town Enumeration District: 27 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Lukes Civil Parish: West Ham
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dibby
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10 Dec 2010 21:49 |
hicathy thanks for trying, dont know myself if any of these, are right, i,ll tell you as much as i know. cecila burk maiden name cecila watson marrige name thomas gorge belchamber 1856-1931 had a step brother, who was henery copple 1842-1908 who was known as henery belchamber one of henerys daughters,was named, mary belchamber 1871-1931 who married, thomas watson 1871-1947 whose daughter was cecila watson,who,s my granmother, thats what i,ve been told, on here, now am thinking could mary belchamber,maybe be a copple, and just maybe thay were,nt married, an my granmother maybe just give the children farthers name could that of been possible, kind regards debbie
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jax
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10 Dec 2010 22:29 |
Debbie
I really dont know where you have got this from as our 30 odd pm's to each other your grandmother was Cecilia Burke who married Ambrose Watson in 1938
Or have I wasted about 10 hours of my life trying to sort this for you
I have asked you where this marriage of Thomas and Mary Ann fit in because I cannot fathom it out
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10 Dec 2010 22:42 |
All I can say is buy Ambrose and Cecilia's marriage cert to find out who their parents were.
The Ambrose you think is your grandfather born and died in Derbyshire....affraid I dont..... as that one married in 1941
There is this one
Name: Ambrose Watson Death Registration Month/Year: 1958 Age at death (estimated): 63 Registration district: Gateshead Inferred County: Durham Volume: 1a Page: 773 and as his daughter married in that area in 1957 looks more than likely to be him where did cecilia die could this be her
Name: Cecilia Watson Birth Date: 11 Jan 1916 Death Registration Month/Year: Mar 1991 Age at death (estimated): 75 Registration district: North Tyneside Inferred County: Tyne and Wear Volume: 2 Page: 1082 Please just get the marriage cert rather than all this guessing
marriage again for you to order
Name: Ambrose Watson Spouse Surname: Burke Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1938 Registration district: Crosby Registration county (inferred): Merseyside Volume Number: 8b Page Number: 734 Find Spouse: Find Spouse Cecilia M Burke Watson Jan-Feb-Mar 1938 Crosby Merseyside
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dibby
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10 Dec 2010 22:57 |
ok i will, feel like your telling me off like a school child,would you say these are defintley, there death cert, i think they are, i know my granmother died in tynside, where do i buy the certs from credits on here, or go to registed building thanks debbie
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jax
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10 Dec 2010 23:10 |
I was'nt telling you off Debbie I was getting frustrated Wish you had told me where your grandmother died before hand.....So there was no real reason your grandfather would have died in derbyshire then?
I cannot say for certain if its them or not marriage cert will give there ages and fathers names so it will be a good start.
You can purchase it here at £9.25
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
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10 Dec 2010 23:13 |
If that is your grandmothers death this could be her birth but until you get the cert there is not a lot of point guessing
Births Mar 1916 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Burke Cecilia Kelly Southam 6d 1521
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Cynthia
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11 Dec 2010 08:37 |
Debbie, we too have exchanged a lot of pm's and you keep telling me about who you are looking for but I find it very confusing as you keep changing the names.
The helpers are doing their best for you but you really need to take their advice if you want to find the right people.
Jax has advised you how to get the marriage certificate which will set you on the right path.
Have you been in touch with Gwyn about the Belchamber family as that could be helpful also?
If you come back to this thread when you have got the certificate, someone may be able to help you again. Cx
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dibby
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11 Dec 2010 17:06 |
hi jax, i understand what your saying,sorry to be confuseing,i,m confuseing myself as well an my family, i do appreciate your patience, your 10 hours made me one happy ladie, no you did,nt waist your time, i,m still happy about what you found me, you made me very happy will get marrige cert, an get back to you cheeres x i did delete also
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JaneyCanuck
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10 Mar 2011 15:57 |
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/surname_information/burke/thread/1261496
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/history/greatgranparents/thread/1261502
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