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As far as I can discover my ggg grandfather Edward Girling 1803-1868 norfolk md 1840 norfolk Mary Ann Kingswood norfolk 1803-1882. I am looking for more information on their children.
Also more info on Edwards father William 1780-1839 and unknown mother. Thanks.

Edward Gerling
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Bury St Edmunds
Civil parish: Norwich Lakenham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: Mancroft
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Gerling 50
Mary Ann Gerling 41>>>>Born Norwich
Emer Crisp 8>>>>Grand Child
Robert Tratt 28>>>Son in Law
Mary Ann Tratt 24>>>>Daughter
Elenor Tratt 4
Mary Ann Tratt 2
Emer Tratt 1


Are you sure he was born in Norfolk??

Edward Girling>>>>>Widower>>>>Cordwainer
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Spouse Name: Mary Kingswood>>>>>Spinster
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 May 1840
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: William Girling
Spouse Father Name: Richard Kingswood

Name: Edward Gerling
[Edward Girling]
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Cavendish Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 277
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Gerling 58
Mary Gerling 58
Thoms Gerling 13
Alfred Gerling 11
Jane Gerling 6


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Name: Edward Girling
Estimated birth year: abt 1803
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 65
District: Marylebone (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 317 (click to see others on page)

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Marriages Jun 1840 (>99%)
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GIRLING Edward Marylebone 1 239
KINGSWOOD Mary Marylebone 1 239

Hi Jax
thanks this is the one, but he has older children also. Can you find an earlier record please
thanks Gill

Name: Edward Girling
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Henstead
County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 104 (click to see others on page)

I dont think the one I posted is correct as they were not from Norfolk

if this is yours
Name: Edward Girling
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1802
Date of Trial: 25 Jan 1847
Trial Year: 1847
Location of Trial: Middlesex, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image


Name: Edward Girling
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Date of Trial: 22 Feb 1848
Trial Year: 1848
Location of Trial: Middlesex, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

Must admit had problems with this line. My Edward born 1840 was not baptised til 11..5.1845 in London, 1881 census therefore shows he was born Marylebone.
Family have told me he originated from Norfolk, and that was the birth record I found.
Edward 1840 called his first daughter elizabeth Kingswood Girling, so when I found the marriage of his father to a Mary Kingswood, I believe that is the connection. Edward was born the year they marred, although could have been a second marriage for Edward 1803 as both later 30's at time of marriage.

Hi Astra, The marriage details you show for 4.5.1840 are the ones I have been using, although did not know he was a widower at time of marriage, must have missed that.

These look like the baptisms of their children. They seem to have had them done in a job lot

Edward Girling Baptism 11 May 1845 Edward Girling
Mary Girling St Marylebone Westminster
Mary Ann Girling Baptism 11 May 1845 Edward Girling,
Mary Girling St Marylebone Westminster
William Girling Baptism 11 May 1845 Edward Girling,
Mary Girling St Marylebone Westminster
Alfred Girling Baptism 31 Jul 1850 Edward Girling,
Mary Girling St Marylebone Westminster
Alfred Girling Baptism 31 Jul 1850 Edward Girling,
Mary Girling St Marylebone Westminster
Richard Girling Baptism 29 Jul 1850 Edward Girling,
Mary Girling St Marylebone Westminster
Richard Girling Baptism 29 Jul 1850 Edward Girling,
Mary Girling St Marylebone Westminster
Mary Jane Girling Baptism 22 Mar 1870 Edward Girling,
Mary Girling St Marylebone Westminster


As did his son Edward. He seems to have had them all baptised on the same day.

This looks like the one you mentioned

Eliza Kingswood Girling
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 19 May 1882
Father's Name: Edward Girling
Mother's Name: Eliza Girling
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex

Cant seem to find anything for 1841 yet poss mistranscribed

Jax, I have children born to him 1840-1850, so the imprisonment ones unlikely.

he was only imprisioned for 6 months at a time

Astra. Know Richard died 1850 also possibly a John that was born 1845. and cant find anything for Mary Ann after 1845, so maybe as they lost these 3 children had others living at time baptised. Just guessing. Although I also have a Thomas 1848-1917. Cant find huis baptism.

jax, Thats intriguing. Have his 8 childrens births, if I have them correct that is, as 1840, 1842, 2x 1845, 1848, 2x 1850, 1854. (Can only trace 1 twin after infancy) Dates would fit with trial dates you list, so possible. Thanks.

Its a shame as some of the Middlesex criminal registers gave discriptions of the person but these were not.
He was done for larceny both times

Thanks to all for help. Please let me know if anyone comes across anything for Edward 1803 parents. Gill

I've been puzzling over this for a while but now you have mention a John........................may as well throw it in the pot

John Girling
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Rectory
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: 11a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Girling 50>>>>>>Shoemaker>>>>>Intriguing......could be a brother I suppose.
Mary Girling 48
William Girling 8
John Girling 6
R Girling 3
Saml Peterfield 20
S Girling 1

Hi Astra. all I have for John is the birth year. I have often wondered why I couldnt find a baptism for him, as he would have been Mary Anns twin and she was baptised. Mary Ann born 11..3.1845, baptised 11.5.1845, then cant find anything, so possibly died infancy. Maybe John isnt mine and belongs to this Thomas and Mary you have found. Oh how I wish we could time travel back to the past, this would be so much simpler.

From checking the London Births and Baptisms Thomas the Shoemaker and Mary seem to have only had their daughters baptised. Some families did this and some had only the sons baptised. Don't know why.