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Brian
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1 Oct 2008 14:55 |
Family members incl; Charles (father) born c1866, Lucy (mother) born c1865, George W (brother) born c1886, Hannah B. (sister) born c1889, Maud R. (sister) born c1890 this is my great grandmother. She married George Edward Bostock.I believe the Isaac's are from Carlton, Nottinghamshire. There was a Maud E. Dyer also living with them born c1896, who is she? Any information would be thankful.
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KathleenBell
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1 Oct 2008 15:12 |
If this information is from the 1901 census then Maud E. Dyer is the niece of Charles and Lucy Isaac.
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Brian
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3 Oct 2008 10:07 |
I know she is the neice, but who's daughter is she? I am also looking for any info other than the census.
Thanks for your reply.
Brian
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3 Oct 2008 10:20 |
Do you have a Charles and Alice Dyer in your tree?
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Catherine
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3 Oct 2008 10:43 |
This is the only Maud E. Dyer I could find born about this time:-
Births Jun 1897 (>99%) Dyer Maud Ethel Bethnal G. 1c 219
the certificate will give her parents names, but is it the correct one?
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Catherine
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3 Oct 2008 10:55 |
for reference:-
1891 Charles Isaac abt 1865 Harlaxton, Lincolnshire, England Head Carlton, Nottinghamshire (Railway Labourer) George W Isaac abt 1886 Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Son Carlton, Nottinghamshire Hannah B Isaac abt 1889 Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Carlton, Nottinghamshire Lucy A Isaac abt 1864 Witham, Lincolnshire, England Wife Carlton, Nottinghamshire Maud R Isaac abt 1890 Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Carlton, Nottinghamshire
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Catherine
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3 Oct 2008 11:04 |
1901 Charles Isaac abt 1866 Wyvill Grantham, Lincolnshire, England Head Carlton, Nottinghamshire George W Isaac abt 1886 Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Son Carlton, Nottinghamshire Hannah B Isaac abt 1888 Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Carlton, Nottinghamshire Lucy A Isaac abt 1864 Grantham, Lincolnshire, England Wife Carlton, Nottinghamshire Maud R Isaac abt 1890 Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Carlton, Nottinghamshire Maud E Dyer abt 1896 London N Niece Carlton, Nottinghamshire
So Maud was born in London, so the birth record looks to be the correct one!
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Catherine
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3 Oct 2008 11:14 |
Charles in 1871:- Charles Isaac abt 1866 Wyville, Lincolnshire, England Son Wyville With Hungerton, Lincolnshire Edward Isaac abt 1863 Wyville, Lincolnshire, England Son Wyville With Hungerton, Lincolnshire Elizbeth S Isaac abt 1827 Teigh, Rutland, England Wife Wyville With Hungerton, Lincolnshire Henry Isaac abt 1870 Wyville, Lincolnshire, England Son Wyville With Hungerton, Lincolnshire Jane Isaac abt 1853 Teigh, Rutland, England Daughter Wyville With Hungerton, Lincolnshire Joseph Isaac abt 1869 Wyville, Lincolnshire, England Son Wyville With Hungerton, Lincolnshire Luke Isaac abt 1826 Wyville, Lincolnshire, England Head Wyville With Hungerton, Lincolnshire Martha Isaac abt 1868 Wyville, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Wyville With Hungerton, Lincolnshire
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Catherine
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3 Oct 2008 11:32 |
marriage for Jane:- Marriages Jun 1881 (>99%) BARBER Frances Hall Grantham 7a 870 Dunmore Henry Grantham 7a 870 ISAAC Jane Grantham 7a 870 STEEL George William Grantham 7a 870
so she didn't marry a Dyer.
The family in 1881:- Elizabeth Isaac abt 1827 Edmonthorpe, Rutland, England Wife Hungerton Cum Wyville, Lincolnshire Harry Isaac abt 1871 Wyville, Lincoln, England Son Hungerton Cum Wyville, Lincolnshire Joe Isaac abt 1869 Wyville, Lincoln, England Son Hungerton Cum Wyville, Lincolnshire Kate Isaac abt 1873 Wyville, Lincoln, England Daughter Hungerton Cum Wyville, Lincolnshire Luke Isaac abt 1826 Hungerton, Lincoln, England Head Hungerton Cum Wyville, Lincolnshire Luke Isaac abt 1855 Wyville, Lincoln, England Son Hungerton Cum Wyville, Lincolnshire Martha Isaac abt 1867 Wyville, Lincoln, England Daughter Hungerton Cum Wyville, Lincolnshire
Possible marriage for Kate:- Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%) Almand Edward Grantham 7a 1011 Handley Sarah Annie Grantham7a 1011 Hotchin Arthur Grantham 7a 1011 Isaac Kate Grantham 7a 1011
So sister Jane and Kate didn't marry a Dyer and can't find a marriage for Martha with a Dyer so need to check who Lucy, (Charles' wife) sisters married.
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Catherine
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3 Oct 2008 11:39 |
This is the only marriage for Charles I can find can you confirm that this is the correct one?:-
Marriages Jun 1883 (>99%) Isaac Charles Basford 7b 189 Clapton Lucy Basford 7b 189
The district Basford spans the boundaries of the counties of Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire
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Catherine
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3 Oct 2008 11:43 |
This looks like Lucy in 1881:-
Name: Lucy Clapton Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Nth Witham, Lincoln, England Civil Parish: Colsterworth County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street address: High St
Occupation: General Servant Domestic Registration district: Grantham Sub registration district: Colsterworth ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Lucy Clapton 18 Richard H. Doubleday 47 Robert Doubleday 17 Sarah A. Doubleday 37
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Catherine
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3 Oct 2008 11:48 |
Lucy in 1871:-
John Clapton abt 1818 North Witham, Leicestershire, England Head North Witham, Lincolnshire Betsey Clapton abt 1840 Twyford, Leicestershire, England Daughter North Witham, Lincolnshire Charles Clapton abt 1853 South Witham, Leicestershire, England Son North Witham, Lincolnshire Jane Clapton abt 1869 North Witham, Leicestershire, England Granddaughter North Witham, Lincolnshire Lucy Clapton abt 1863 South Witham, Leicestershire, England Granddaughter North Witham, Lincolnshire Mary E Clapton abt 1866 Grantham, Leicestershire, England Granddaughter North Witham, Lincolnshire
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Catherine
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3 Oct 2008 12:04 |
Couldn't find a marriage for a Clapton to a Dyer so checked 1901 census for Dyers born Lincolnshire living in London and found this (only one):-
Name: Carolin M Dyer Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Joseph Gender: Female Where born: Grantham, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St George County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: Islington Sub registration district: Upper Holloway ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 40 Household Members: Name Age Carolin M Dyer 42 Josep Dyer 64 born: Hackney, Middlesex (living on own means) Anne E Fauntain 65 boarder Thomas Fauntain 62 boarder
May not be relevant but you never know?
The only way to be really sure is to buy the birth certificate!!
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Catherine
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3 Oct 2008 12:27 |
The Claptons in 1861:-
John Clapton abt 1809 North Witham, Lincolnshire, England Head South Witham, Lincolnshire (Ag.Labourer) Charles Clapton abt 1853 South Witham, Lincolnshire, England Son South Witham, Lincolnshire Elizabeth Clapton abt 1839 Levyford, Lincolnshire, England Daughter South Witham, Lincolnshire (Housekeeper) Joseph Clapton abt 1848 Levyford, Lincolnshire, England Son South Witham, Lincolnshire
and in 1851 even if the age of John doesn't seem to fit:-
Betsey Clapton abt 1841 Twyford, Lincolnshire, England Daughter South Witham, Lincolnshire Elizabeth Clapton abt 1812 Corby, Lincolnshire, England Wife South Witham, Lincolnshire John Clapton abt 1830 North Witham, Lincolnshire, England Head South Witham, Lincolnshire John Clapton abt 1843 Twyford, Lincolnshire, England Son South Witham, Lincolnshire Joseph Clapton abt 1849 Twyford, Lincolnshire, England Son South Witham, Lincolnshire Mary A Clapton abt 1845 Twyford, Lincolnshire, England Daughter South Witham, Lincolnshire
Living next door but one:- Mary Clapton abt 1838 Colsterworth, Lincolnshire, England Lodger South Witham, Lincolnshire
Possible deaths for Elizabeth (mother):- Deaths Mar 1854 (>99%) Clapton Elizabeth Grantham 7a 278
Deaths Sep 1860 (>99%) Clapton Elizabeth Ann Grantham 7a 212
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Catherine
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3 Oct 2008 12:31 |
This looks like them in 1841:-
Elizabeth Clapton abt 1816 Lincolnshire, England Colsterworth, Lincolnshire Elizabeth Clapton abt 1840 Lincolnshire, England Colsterworth, Lincolnshire John Clapton abt 1811 Lincolnshire, England Colsterworth, Lincolnshire (Ag.Labourer) Sarah Clapton abt 1836 Lincolnshire, England Colsterworth, Lincolnshire Living:- Hamlet of Twyford
Marriage for John and Elizabeth:- John Clapton - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 25 NOV 1833 North Witham, Lincoln, England Spouse: Elizabeth Wilson
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Brian
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13 Oct 2008 09:04 |
Catherine, You are a gold mine. Thanks for all this information. It will take me a while to read it and understand it all as i am only a novice. You're wonderful.
Many thanks Brian.
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Catherine
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13 Oct 2008 10:16 |
You will need to buy a couple of certificates to confirm all this but it all seems to fit. Glad to have helped. Regards Catherine
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