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I have still not been able to track down relatives for the Tarbucks. PM just received from Vanessa. Not her Lousa. She has Louisa R.

A thought did occur to me. That area has a large Jewish community. I heard a few weeks ago about a Jewish genealogy site. I wonder if the synagogue holds records of our victims.

I've missed something.

Quoy, Victoria's list on page 9 has you working on the CHANDLERS.

Did I miss the results? -- sorted, found it on page 7. Why did nobody tell me the page 1 list didn't reflect it?!?


PLEASE let me know if any of your outcomes aren't shown on page 1.

Christine - re Jewish victims / synagogue.

If you have a look at the BGTD site, you'll see that a local Rabbi and congregation have been very involved in the effort

http://www.stairwaytoheavenmemorial.org/index.html

"Fr. Alan Green conducted a wonderful Service, which was so comforting and uplifting. He was assisted by Rabbi Amanda Golby who read a prayer and blessing in Hebrew and English for the many Jewish families that were present. " etc.

I'm hoping we can assume that the congregation has made every effort it could.

sorry missed that one.

It certainly occurred to me too Christine -- the Jewish community being relatively smaller and more interconnected than the broader public the victims came from.

Maybe Anna can let us know on that score when she next ploughs her way through this thread. ;)

Before I start on one last for the day, has anybody noticed the

COLLETT family group being done by anyone??

Going, going ... unless it's gone already ...

Doreen Collett 11
Rose Collett 50
Ronald Collett 8


Marriages Jun 1917
Collett Charles T Froggitt Mile End 1c 496
Froggitt Rose E Collett Mile End 1c 496

Ronald D Collett Jan Feb Mar 1935 Stepney Greater London
Doreen Collett Apr May Jun 1932 Stepney Greater London


Births Jun 1917
Collett Charles W G Froggitt Mile End. 1c 599
Births Dec 1919
Collett Rose L Froggitt Mile End 1c 736
Births Jun 1922
Collett Alfred T Froggitt Mile End 1c 589
Births Jun 1924
Collett George H Froggitt Mile End 1c 572
Births Jun 1929
Collett Iris L Froggitt Stepney 1c 305


Several people have one or more of the children in trees at GR and I will now send them all PMs.

Details sent to Victoria.

I have still no idea what F.A.P. member is. Louisa Tarbuck is recorded as being one. Any ideas please?

Isabella Rose Trice nee Lazarus wife of Frederick Trice

There is a Maurice Lazarus on the FOUND list - any connection to him ??

Quoy can you pls have a look or Anna any ideas???

FAP

probably Fire Auxilliary Personnel

I wondered if it was something like that but could not quite work the wording.

Re Trice-Lazarus

Isabella's household in 1911:

LAZARUS EDITH F 1908 3 Mile End Old Town London
LAZARUS EILEEN F 1910 11 MONTHS Mile End Old Town London
LAZARUS FLORENCE F 1883 28 Mile End Old Town London
LAZARUS ISSAC M 1882 29 Mile End Old Town London
LAZARUS THOMAS M 1906 5 Mile End Old Town London
LAZARUS WINIFRED F 1902 9 Mile End Old Town London


No Maurice.

Maurice is MORRIS at CWGC.

Morris Lazarus in 1911:

LAZARUS MORRIS M 1900 11 Bethnal Green London

However, there are 4 other Morris Lazarus-s in Bethnal Green, so I can't sort 'em.

... Hmm, he must be on the list with known family?

1901 - 135 Bethnal Green Road

LAZARUS, Benjamin Head Married M 38 1863 Boot & Shoe Maker
Russia Rusn Sub
LAZARUS, Fanny Wife Married F 36 1865
Russia Rusn Sub
LAZARUS, Esther Daughter F 6 1895
East London

>>>>LAZARUS, Morris Son M 0 (11 MOS) 1901
East London

cwgc lists as son of Mr & Mrs B Lazarus same address

As far as I can tell we aren't looking for Maurice/Morris Lazarus -- Victoria was just wondering whether a connection to Isabella Lazarus TRICE could be found via him.

Quoy has found a tree match for Isabella it seems.

-- Actually, there are 6 matches for Isabella Lazarus 1904 (she isn't showing up in the BGTD tree yet).

QUOY -- You contacted them all?

PATRICIA COURT 23

hasn't been done from what I can see -- working on her now.

Daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Charles Murphy, of 61 Russell Road, Chingford, Essex;
wife of Thomas Court, of 6 Electric House, Bow Road


Likely

Marriages Sep 1913
Hills Martha A Murphy Bethnal G 1c 443
Murphy Charles Hills Bethnal G. 1c 443

Births Jun 1919
Murphy Patricia Hills Whitechapel 1c 248

loads of likely siblings

... possibly two children, 1939 and 1938.

I can't find matches for any siblings or children.

-- edit -- match for Marguerite, who may or may not be related; sending PM

Will send details to Victoria. If anybody else wants to pursue them, these are the births:

Children:

Doreen R Court 1939 Poplar Greater London
Terence T Court 1938 Stepney Greater London

Siblings:

Births Jun 1914
MURPHY Charles A Hills Stepney 1c 577
Births Dec 1915
Murphy Martha A Hills St.Geo.East 1c 403
Births Jun 1917
Murphy Eileen K Hills Mile End 1c 498
Births Jun 1919
Murphy Patricia Hills Whitechapel 1c 248
Births Dec 1921
Murphy Arthur J Hills St.Geo.East 1c 362
Births Mar 1924
Murphy Edna M Hills St.Geo.East 1c 380
Births Mar 1926
Murphy Doreen Hills Stepney 1c 540
Births Dec 1930
Murphy Marguerite W Hills Colchester 4a 1230

(No other Murphy-Hills marriage until 1929)

Signing off for the night now too.

Just wanted to offer the message I am currently sending to possible matches:

_________________________________________________________________

I am writing to you because _____ in your tree
- was a victim of the WW2 Bethnal Green Tube Disaster which happened on 3 March 1943
OR
- appears to be a family member of ___ who was a victim of the WW2 Bethnal Green Tube Disaster which happened on 3 March 1943.

There is an effort underway by the organizers of a new memorial to the victims to contact living relatives of people who died in the 1943 Bethnal Green Tube Disaster.

Details are at the website below:

http://www.stairwaytoheavenmemorial.org/

_____ is among the people for whom there is no family known to the memorial organizers.

His/her entry under Civilian War Dead can be found at the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site
www.CWGC.org
[I include a direct link]

[Where the match is not with the vicim him/herself:]
As one of the group here at GR working to find family members, I researched the family to identify relations of ___, and then searched trees for their names to find possible family members.

The discussion here at GenesReunited is in this thread on the discussion boards:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1134367

If you have a paid subscription to GenesReunited you can post in that thread and we would all be very pleased to hear from you. You can also click on the name "Bethnal Green Tube Disaster" on a post on page 10 of the thread, for example, and send a message to GR member Victoria, who will open the BGTD1943 tree for you to view.

If you do not have a paid subscription, you can reply to this message from me and I will request that Victoria send you a message opening the tree to you.

If you like, if you are a family member of ___, we can then pass on your details to the memorial organizer, Anna, so that the Trust can contact you about the project -- or, if you prefer, you can simply contact her directly at

[email address]

Just for interest -- I identified a grandson of the young child of a victim (he is a GR member but has not opened the PM I sent), and he has been found on the Electoral Roll and the info is being forwarded to Anna.

IRENE LILIAN TRAYLING 20

Sep 1922 Marshall Irene L Swaby Bethnal G. 1c 151
of 9 Kirkwall Place, Globe Road. Daughter of James and Mary Ann Marshall, of the same address; wife of Gnr. Alfred Arthur Trayling, R.A. in Tube Shelter accident. BETHNAL GREEN, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

Parents:
Marriages Sep 1906
MARSHALL James John Bethnal G. 1c 369
SWABY Mary Ann E Bethnal G. 1c 369

Irene has a sibling called Rosina, i have sent a pm to the person whom has Rosina in their tree. No certain matches for Irene directly.

Tracey

1911 census Roche family

1911
ROCHE, EDMOND HEAD MARRIED 13 M 40 GAS STOKER SHORDICH GAS WORKS DRUMSALLOGHER CO LIMERICH IRELAND
ROCHE, NORAH WIFE MARRIED F 33 HACKNEY LONDON
ROCHE, BARTHOLOME SON M 12 SCHOOL HACKNEY LONDON
ROCHE, MARY DAUGHTER F 9 HACKNEY LONDON
ROCHE, DAVIT SON M 3 HACKNEY LONDON
***ROCHE, EDMOND SON M 6 SCHOOL HACKNEY LONDON

ROCHE EDMOND (RG14PN1138 RG78PN37 RD11 SD4 ED33 SN290)
Address 11 HAMBURG ST County London
District Hackney Subdistrict South West Hackney
Enumeration District 33 Parish St John at Hackney


SMITH's
1911
SMITH, JAMES HEAD MARRIED M 32 PLUMBER LONDON SHORDITCH
SMITH, LOUISA WIFE MARRIED 9 F 33
SMITH, LOUISE DAUGHTER F 7 SCHOOL
SMITH, EDITH DAUGHTER F 5
SMITH, GRACE DAUGHTER F 3
***SMITH, RHODA DAUGHTER F 1

SMITH RHODA (RG14PN1066 RG78PN35 RD11 SD2 ED33 SN253)
Address 12 APRIL ST HACKNEY N E County London
District Hackney Subdistrict North Hackney
Enumeration District 33 Parish St John at Hackney

as far as i know these people are not currently being researched

Elizabeth & Alexander (son) Fletcher
Emily Higginson
Anthony Lawson
Patricia Lawson
Charles Mason
Sarah Poole
George reynolds
Kate Thompson
Newman

LILIAN FRENCH

Lilian has nno other details on her CWGC data. This one would maybe be a classic call the library and see whom else was living at the address?

Assuming Lilian was single, this could be her father...

FRENCH, WILLIAM HEAD MARRIED 23 M 54 GROCER HORS CEF GLOS
FRENCH, LOUISA MARY WIFE MARRIED 23 F 48 WIFE WEEKLEY NOR HANTS
>>>>FRENCH, WILLIAM THOMAS SON SINGLE M 22 POSTMAN HAZLEWOOD CRS N K
FRENCH, HILDA MARY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 19 MILLINERY SHOW ROOM LANCASTER RD N HILL
FRENCH WILLIAM THOMAS (RG14PN184 RG78PN6 RD2 SD3 ED20 SN11)
Address 276 PORTOBELLO ROAD N KENSINGTON County London
District Kensington Subdistrict Kensington North
Enumeration District 20 Parish Kensington

..... and possibly her mother...

BAYLISS, ALFRED E HEAD MARRIED M 44 LICENSED VICTUALLERS MANAGER BRIXTON
BAYLISS, MARY L WIFE MARRIED 17 F 39 E MARKHAM NOTTS
BAYLISS, LENA E DAUGHTER SINGLE F 15 CLAPHAM
BIGGS, EDITH C SERVANT SINGLE F 29 BARMAID WOOD GREEN N
WOOLVERN, DAISY SERVANT SINGLE F 31 HOUSEMAID BRIGHTON
ROBINSON, FANNY SERVANT SINGLE F 26 COOK BIRMINGHAM
BOULT, HENRY E SERVANT SINGLE M 29 BARMAID GT YARMOUTHS
TONYHT, PERCY J A SERVANT SINGLE M 22 BARMAID FULHAM
>>>>>>BIGGS EDITH C (RG14PN2425 RG78PN80 RD26 SD7 ED34 SN148)
Address THE ALMA R H 499 YORK ROAD WANDSWORTH S W County London
District Wandsworth Subdistrict Southfields
Enumeration District 34 Parish Wandsworth

Dec 1913 FRENCH Lilian B >>Biggs Wandsworth 1d 1339

Marriages Jun 1911
Biggs Edith C Wandsworth 1d 825
French William T Wandsworth 1d 825

All pure guesswork!

Tracey x